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"This groups is designed specifically for the American Mastiff, but any Mastiff breed is welcome. I searched yahoo and didn't find one group dedicated to the American. Either it's not preferred or not well known, but they are gorgeous and not slobbery droolers like the other ones. This group is for people that own Mastiffs, want to own, or just plain want some info on them. Feel free to join and chat away."
 
The above is the lead in copy on the Am-Ma forum!
 
DISGRACEFUL!!!


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Yo...I haven't posted in a while and just saw Steve's post and wanted to invite you over to post.  I have supported Steves questions the entire time about the American Mastiff breeds and I am trying very hard to get the documentation you crave.  I also want to have that information. 

The forum is nice and is actually a pretty nice format. 

I know I am not welcome here...so I am posting and leaving...but just wanted to invite anyone over to the site that wants to come ask questions (in a nice way mind you).

I am referring to the http://www.americanmastiff.org/AMForums/ forum.  Everyone is welcom.  We don't bash EMs either.  They are great dogs.

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I love Steve. He is my favorite EM owner. He reminds me alot of my grandpa.


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Doug,

In all due respect, the gave me the boot twice!

They can have their forum and live in cluelessness if they so desire!

They have nice pets and could care less about their pet's history, genetics and foundation!

Therefore, that's all they will ever have! Just pets!

The "Almost" Mastiff!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Is this dog in your cross?

These dogs are bred to fight and herd!

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The Turks are proud of their ferocious Kangals!

They are bred to be aggressive!

Now mix that with the present day mastiff!

Less drool & the potential for disaster!

Mind your kids!



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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Split-Lump Controversy

Inside Turkey, the Kangal Dog's breed status and value are unquestioned; it is an object of pride even for urban Turks, and has been declared a National Cultural and Historic Treasure by the Turkish government. Outside Turkey, the Kangal dog's status as a separate breed is disclaimed by fanciers of the Anatolian Shepherd Dog. Anatolian breeders point out that Turkish sheepdogs, collectively, come in a variety of colors and coat lengths, and claim that all of these dogs constitute a single breed that subsumes the regionally-developed Kangal Dogs and Akbash dogs. However, Kangal and Akbash defenders point out that these breeds were developed in historically isolated regions where sheep herding was most intensive, and became distinct from the generic sheepdogs scattered elsewhere in the country. There are no breeders of "Anatolian shepherds" in Turkey; nor is the generic çoban köpegi considered to be a breed. Nowadays it is possible to find karabash-colored dogs being bred throughout Turkey; some are Kangals, many are crossbreeds. It is undeniable that crossbreeding and mongrelization are increasing as Turkey continues to urbanize, and this has led to increased local efforts to preserve the indigenous Kangal and Akbash Dog breeds.

Kangal dog breeders feel that the standard they have laid out for the breed reflects the working dogs of the Kangal region, and feel that mixing Kangal Dogs with other Turkish dogs undermines the preservation of the breed, as well as introducing unwanted temperament traits. They also point to the apparent preference for Kangal breeding stock, and "Karabash" color, by Anatolian breeders in recent years as a tacit admission of the value of the Kangal breed.

In general, the controversy about breed status comes from outside Turkey; Turks remain steadfastly committed to their national breed, and are perplexed by the claims by western canine groups that Kangal Dogs are "the same" as all other "çoban köpegi" in Turkey.

Generally, the arguments seem to boil down to whether the Turkish villagers, university researchers, and government are valid in their description and assessment of their native dog breeds, or whether western dog clubs should be the arbiter of what is and is not a breed in Turkey. Fortunately for the Kangal supporters, increased internet access and education in Turkey has led to a strong movement there to preserve the native breeds, and to establish recognition for Kangal and Akbash dogs with international registries such as the FCI. It is likely that the arguments will be settled by the Turks themselves, along with compelling evidence that is emerging from DNA studies in Turkey and Finland. Suffice to say, both groups consider their dogs true Turkish livestock guardian dogs


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Take your pick!

The Anatolian is somewhat more long-lived than some large breeds of dogs, with a life expectancy of 10 to 14 years. Since they are primarily working dogs, the present life expectancy statistics include those killed by predators while defending their flocks. Anatolians must be anesthetized like sight hounds, being very lean they need less anesthesia than a Rottweiler of the same weight would need. They reach full maturity, like many large breeds, at around 4 years. Some are sensitive to beef, which processed dog food is full of, and thus tend to develop allergic reactions such as ear infections. This can be avoided by feeding them a diet of lamb and rice or chicken & rice supplemented with salmon. The Anatolian Shepherd does not usually suffer from hereditary illness, though entropion and canine hip dysplasia are sometimes seen in the breed.[1] Anatolian Shepherd owners should have their dogs' eyes and hips tested by a veterinarian before breeding.[2]

 History

The breed's ancestors most likely migrated to the area now known as Turkey about 1000 AD with Turkic-speaking people, although it is probable that dogs similar to this existed at least 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia. Over the centuries, regional variations began to develop, although the dogs were collectively known as coban kopegi, i.e. "shepherd dog". In the 1970s, western breeders became interested in the dogs and developed standards for the regional breeds; the Anatolian is one of those breeds, coming from central Turkey.


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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I thought we locked this thread???????

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Oh boy!!  I have not read any of these threads in quite sometime!!  I, to be honest, have not read the above posts, but wanted to post here because I had a few interesting conversations/experiences at the show this weekend.

First of all, I met a woman who walked by our camp and was as nice as she could be who asked about Dreamer's Hygroma.  She said her dog had them too... she has an "American Mastiff."  Her name is Cameron and she is a known breeder in California and maybe even the west coast of American Mastiffs.   She knows, respects, and promotes her breed and loves ours.  We had a friendly and good conversation.  One thing that caught me off guard is that she stated that the American Mastiff is not born of the Anatolian Shepard and the Mastiff, but born of the "Anatolian Mastiff...." I didn't question further.  She did state that the purpose of the breed was to cut down on drool and add longevity.  She had a bitch with her which almost all Mastiff breeders would consider a pet quality mastiff.  Slighter bone, sloped stop, narrow muzzle...The brindle pup she had with her had the same characteristics.  They are very proud of their breed.    She was a very nice person, said that they don't want their breed recognized by the AKC because they don't want the AKC writing their own, or monitoring the standard that Frederika set. 

Then later today I was at a vendor booth with Monty.  Two Anatolian Shepards were there with their owners.  I was told to not get too close as they were not friendly.  One girl had a very tight hold on the leash and moved the dog further away from us. 

I asked her if she knew anything about the controversy over the American Mastiff. She told me she had never heard of any such controversy, but did tell me that the Anatolians had been around for a few thousand years and that she thought the Anatolians and mastiffs were decendents of each other.

WOW! It is amazing the different viewpoints, levels of education, truth, etc.

Steve, et al., can anyone shine some light on this?

Sorry, not checking the above for typos - tired ;-)

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Hell must be freezing over cause I can actually agree with something Steve said heh. I know some of this has been said over and over and over again. But some things bear repeating.

Yes, we have pets but that's exactly what we set out to find in the first place. We weren't looking for show dogs or "Champions". We were looking for a breed of dog that would be a good family dog and a majority of the AM owners have found exactly that and are extremely happy with their "pets". You call them "pets" we call them family.

You are right when I say I dont care about my dogs "history". I care that he is the center of my life. I care that when I take him out he is a loveable dog and steals the heart of every woman, man, and child with his goofy nature. I care that he is healthy and that god willing he will be with me for a long long time.

On a side note:

I've seen a few posts about how the media doesn't differentiate between AM's and EM's, but isnt that true for ALL the Mastiff breeds? I hear "Mastiff" but they dont say American, English, Neo, Bull, etc. So it's not just the AM's you need to worry about it. Its every other single dog that has Mastiff in their name. Any dog has the potential to be turned into a monster in the wrong hands. All the selective breeding and health testing in the world can't stop that. And thats a sad fact.

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Kat,

You wouldn't want to buy a used car without knowing it's service "history" etc., but buying a family dog, without caring about it's genetic history, temperament etc. is perfectly fine in your book!

Your breed will never really be recognized as a breed, without knowledge of these issues.

Many mongrels make good pets. Many also don't!

Fredricka knows the truth, what is there to hide?

Monica,

"Sour grapes" is what you heard from that Am-Ma owner, stating that she would not want the "breed" in the AKC. That "breed" will never get into the AKC whether she would want it to or not!

Molosser breeds have influenced the Anatolian centuries ago when they were mixed to local shepherd dogs in the region. At least that's my take on the snipey muzzled, curled tailed Anatolian!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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I thought this thread was locked?

Steve.... why MUST you keep on going and going and going like a feakin' little Energizer Bunny on this topic?

I DID post some of my AM's lineage on the AM board (yes, INCLUDING some EM champions!) in response to your questioning.  You chose not to acknowledge it.

Now.... PLEASE, PLEASE moderator/owner lock this thread.  This has gotten COMPLETELY ridiculous!

P.S.  You were NEVER banned from our board.  You were asked to play nice and you just couldn't manage to do it!

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You never mentioned one answer to my basic question!

Who were the foundation dogs of your "breed"?

Throwing names at me of some mastiffs in a "pedigree" isn't an answer to my simple question.

Who were the first dogs used?

Where were they obtained?

Can their lineage be validated?

Don't you want to know? Doesn't ANYBODY in that community have one ounce of curiosity?

I asked these questions and they were considered offensive!

I was booted off for asking questions that any normal pure breed owner would want to know!

Shouldn't your breed have a valid history to reflect back upon in years to come?

Now you wish to lock the thread and silence my query!

THAT says it all!!!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Thanks for those youtube links. Disturbing but I'm glad I watched them.
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I've never bought a used car, so I've never been faced with having to make a decision regarding its "history". So that analogy doesn't work for me. Do you have another?

I'm sorry but this thread just gets more and more funny every time I read it. I know who my dogs parents are, I know who my dogs grandparents are, and I even know who my dogs great-grandparents are. I feel no need to go any further then that. I know more about my dogs "history" as you put it, then I know about my own.

I'm sure that makes me a bad owner in your eyes. But at the end of the day I still have a happy, healthy, awesome dog just like the other hundreds of people I know. We are FAMILY. The love we have for these dogs is a common bond we all share.

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I'm glad that you Am-Ma people have found "bliss"!

The price for that is ....ignorance!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Can we stop beating the crap out of each other PLEASE. It's not getting us anywhere on either side. If you want to debate the topic - why not use the americanmastiff.org forum.

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I'm not allowed on that forum! That's why!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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actually, it's the Yahoo forum you aren't allowed on (and yes Michelle, he was banned LOL). You are very welcome on the americanmastiff.org forum



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http://www.americanmastiff.org/AMForums/index.php?topic=84.0

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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I've never bought a used car, so I've never been faced with having to make a decision regarding its "history". So that analogy doesn't work for me. Do you have another?

Is it really necessary to live through something personally to understand an analogy?

I'm sorry but this thread just gets more and more funny every time I read it. I know who my dogs parents are, I know who my dogs grandparents are, and I even know who my dogs great-grandparents are. I feel no need to go any further then that. I know more about my dogs "history" as you put it, then I know about my own.

The minimum requirement for pure bred dogs is a 5 generation pedigree - standard procedure to give any buyer of an AKC registered puppy.

I'm sure that makes me a bad owner in your eyes.

How so? I've adopted many an alley cat - never made me a bad cat owner.

But at the end of the day I still have a happy, healthy, awesome dog just like the other hundreds of people I know.

I'm sure many more are not so fortunate

We are FAMILY. The love we have for these dogs is a common bond we all share.

Everyone loves their dog, but we should be able to talk about dog breeding in an objective manner.
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Guys,

You know as I read this everyone hear sounds like a bunch of children.  Steve you insist on pounding on the character of an American Mastiff owner.  I was nice enough to invite you to the AM forum and defend you and here you are over here bashing the American Mastiff some more.  I even went as far as calling you a friend.  You act like you own the Mastiff name or something.  YOU DON'T OWN ANYTHING OF THE SUCH.  American Mastiffs are a pure breed and the owners are here to stay as well as the breed.  We have multiple generations of pure breeds in the lineages and we can trace them back to some great EM champions. 

Like we all said we are working with Flying W. to get the pedigrees of the original Anatolian Mastiffs that were bred with the English Mastiffs.  If you put half as much energy in your breed as you do in bashing our breed maybe you wouldn't feel so threatened by us. 

You are still welcome on our site.  Yes the site you feel so inclined to quote over here.  I am so tired of the negative posting and the name calling.  It is like a schoolyard and you are coming across as a bully.  Just a bully and you are losing credit every time you post one of these hateful posts.  You will never squash the American Mastiff breed and you will keep hearing about it more and more and more and more and more.  Give it a break......Get off of our cases.  And guess what.  We are a much friendlier bunch that you have observed.  You just seem to be very hateful towards us for not much more of a reason than we own some dogs you have a disgust for.  So what.  I don't like pitbulls.  Big deal.  I love American Mastiffs. 

Just curious.....What do you think of the American Mastiff - Panja?  The claim the same name.  Check out their website.  http://www.americanmastiff.com

Why don't you go harrass them.  Their dogs are acutually totally differant than ours.

So I guess a get together of our dogs is out of the question.  Huh...I was kind of looking forward to meeting with some of you and putting the faces with the names and letting our dogs rump around.  I guess my dog is just to good for yours considering the healthy hips and the lack of issues and I wouldn't want your dog to break a hip or something.    When you want to be civil come on over to the site http://www.americanmastiff.org/AMForums and ask some questions.  The first one you ask was nice.  I am working on an answer and I expect one one the AMBC(American Mastiff Breeder Counsil) puts up their website.  Oh...BTW...Do you have a breeders council?  Do you have controlled breeding of registered English Mastiffs?  Oh...I guess not....there are like 1000 registered breeders or more.  Hmmm....I guess there is another reason to buy an American Mastiff.

One more question. 
Can you trace your English Mastiff back to the short-haired saint bernards that were used to rebuild the English Mastiffs after WWII....I would expect you could since English Mastiff nearly went extinct during the War.  But who am I to question the lineage of the English Mastiff. 

How far back can you go with your dogs lineage...? 

Can you tell me the original breeding stock of the English Mastiff? 

What was it originally bred with?

How far back do your pedigrees go....?

You guys get me so worked up.  I need to shower...C' Ya.
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Listen,

If anything, I've attacked the attitude of the members of your group, not the dogs. The dogs have no say as to what they are, or aren't!

So far, all I've done on the site, is ask the very questions that you posted below on your above post!

Why should Am-Ma owners have to first try and find out what & who the original foundation dogs were, when your "breed" only began 20 years ago????

Without that firm understanding, EVERY Am-Ma owner walks on sand!

Attempting to compare our breed to yours is odious! We know what crosses went into our breed over the past 100+ years and we have names & I.D. to match those crosses as well.

We also know our dog's foundation lineage over the past 20+ years as well.

Can you say the same?

Name one Anatolian used to form your "breed"?

There's a reason why your CKC dogs need to be scrutinized before being bred. Can you tell us?

Instead of seeing me as the "enemy", perhaps you should see me as the person who has FINALLY pressed you into action, in order to get long sought after answers!

If you want your "breed" to be recognized as a legitimate entity, then take those steps needed to insure that goal!

If YOU check out the "Panja" site, you'll find little if anyone breeding the dog.
The dog looks entirely different that your Am-Ma's and does not resemble the mastiff! Besides, it's called the Panja!  The Corvair was called the American Volkswagon, but it had a proper name of it's own as well!

"The drug lords of Detroit bred nasty, big dogs to each other and ultimately someone decided that this should be a breed.  The ultimate vanity seems to be that this "breed" is named the same as the kennel that promotes it.  The marketing ties the dog as being the preference of those who have low-riders.  To say that there is minimal information regarding the dogs temperament, health, standard or other fundamental information is to be generous.  Instead there is simply hype that they are "the best" and bred "to guard" (which is fundamentally a trait that is trained).  Anything they might be born with is more a weapon that must be properly maintained.  A "protection dog" is only as good as its training.  Otherwise it is merely a very dangerous animal regardless of breeding." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Mastiff

Why don't you contact Wikipedia and try to convince them as well?







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For the betterment of the breed

"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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