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A friend of mine emailed me telling me that his daughter was ready to realize her long time dream of owning an English Mastiff.  He asked if I had ever heard of this kennel: Mountain Pride Mastiffs of Reynoldsburg, Ohio (Christina something) http://homeofthemastiffs.weebly.com/ 
My friend said that Christina told him that she was an MCOA and AKC "member." 

The Mastiffs shown on their Website seem to lack bone, type, size, etc.    I called Christina and asked her if she was an MCOA member and she admitted she was not but "am going to apply."    Then she started talking fast and saying that she was going "to be an evaluator for the AKC" and "I haven't had time to join any clubs yet..." 

She told me that her 7 week old male pups weigh between 7 and 9 pounds.  That seems small, Kahless was a big puppy but was 13.5 pounds at 6.5 weeks.  So he was probably 15 pounds by 7 weeks.  That's a big difference. 

If anybody has anything to add please let me know. 
The puppies are inexpensive, $600 to $1,000.  But what would the buyer be getting? 

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I would advise your friend to look into a more reputable breeder.  I looked at that website she is having 4 litters in june and july and the one bitch has already had 3 litters before.
She states her puppies are 100+ pounds at 18 months come on most mastiffs are that at 6 months. 

You get what you pay for, Pay now or pay later with vet bills and heart ache. 


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Thanks Cece, I have warned my buddy off.  But haven't had time to discuss other directions with him.  He is an animal lover so I know he will guide his daughter well.  I think his daughter may have thought "Wow, I found a great deal on a Mastiff..."  

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It appears to me that this breeder has about half of what a good breeder needs.  She is over breeding and not the greatest dogs. She does rescue however so I have to give kuddos for that.   It says that she will take back any of her pups too.... However when push comes to shove will she really have the room with all the breeding.    Most of the pics of the pups are in a bathroom.  Not my idea of an ideal whelping area.  It looks clean but for me that just grosses me out.  I like the clean whelping boxes that most of the people here use.  The biggest is the volume of breeding bothers me.  I'd rather wait for the perfect breeder to pick a pup from and develop a friendship for life with them. 

I would say that this breeder falls into the gray area between BYB and reputable breeders.    Keep looking


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This is sad.  While all dogs need good homes... only a few should be bred. These should not be bred.  To me, they are not even Mastiffs... what a shame.  Keep looking.


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The breeding stock is not strong and there are poor pedigrees.  When someone quotes from the "5th generation", that means that the first 4 are a lot of unknowns...

Tell your friend to come onto these boards and to see what a good quality and well bred Mastiff puppy should look like.  Pet quality does not mean poor quality.

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Robin,

There is a nice litter I referred to on our list.....

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All I can say is YIKES!!!
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Wow, I'm almost insulted! I feel so bad for those poor puppies
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Oh my gosh~  So sad.

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I dont feel being and MCOA Memeber has anything to do with anything :>)

But we all know what do you get for 6 to 8 hundred bucks??

You can see at thier webbsite :>) I didnt see any testing ?

I seen nothing that i owuld want unless it was a great pet :>)

Im in OHIO and have never heard of them ,I did see a dog with the last name of Lutz

Nope nothing to do with me Id tell them to look else where .

IF! they wanted a  dog to stud or Breed ,if they wanted just a Pet ,then Hey go for it :>)

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She raised the PRICE HUGE!!! Pehaps she read this forum????  Her prices are now between 1000-1500


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Seriously?  Take the time to really look through their site, especially their current puppies that are available.  Really sad, and every one is available for full registration.  How sad.


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  Hate to say it--but 100# at 18 months is a joke.  T-beau just turn 7 months on on 6/13 and he weighs 125# and is tall and lanky--so yes, her dogs/puppies are GROSSLY undersized.


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Robin,you know what to do,you were right the first time,DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND YOU HAVE NO REGRETS,JUST LOOK AT KAHLESS,"NUFF SAID".Adrian
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I joined this forum just so I could comment on this thread. I stumbled across the thread when doing a Google search of "Mountain Pride Mastiffs." I have a mastiff that came from them. I can say that we love our dog. She is very sweet, smart, and good natured. (Had good training) So that being said, I believe that she would make anyone a very descent pet. She is great with kids and older folks. We have actually gone to the old folks home in our area with her and they LOVE her. My friend trains therapy dogs and she says that she is one of the most sweetest gentle dogs shes ever came across. So...for the negitive, she is SKINNY. Our vet however says that she is very healthy. She is TALL, SKINNY, AND LONG LEGGED! Our vet kinda looked at me crazy when I told him she was a full bread mastiff, he was convinced that she was part dane. His answer was, "Well she has a mastiff face but she has a dane body, but she might fill out, some dogs are late bloomers." LOL. I have a great vet, who specialized in Large Breed Dogs. She's a good dog, we love her very much, but we will definitely pick a different breeder next time. She also doesnt show very much interest in food. Shes a light eater. She loves her veggies and rice and pork and chicken. She eats about 10 cups a day. I dont have any regrets getting her. My last dog was a rottwieler who live to be the ripe old age of 15. She was a grazer too. So maybe I am just destined to have skinny super model dogs.

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 I recently had the misfortune to meet Ms. Davis via the internet.  She was nasty and an outright liar.  As far as her claim to be part of a rescue organization--it must be to rescue her own dogs.

 

I am happy you gave a loving home to a deserving dog--let's hope a few of the other many puppies she breeds will be able to be as lucky.


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I agree Catie I have been watching Christina Jones, website I have asked questions to her directly and she is not on the up and up.  She currently has 6 litters planned all with a 12 month old male.  Her dogs are all poorly bred when questioning her about the pedigrees everything on her website is a lie she uses dogs that are 10 generations back as champions some listed are not in her pedigrees at all I checked through devine farms.  She is deceptive at best.  Just a puppy mill!!! Please research and buy from a reputable breeder do not support puppy mills.


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There are many unscrupulous breeders out there...this is one of many. Always refer to the Parent Club for info and do your homework before such a purchase. It's buyer beware and our beloved Mastiff breed has certainly "gone to the dogs".
sad, very sad.
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There are many unscrupulous breeders out there...this is one of many. Always refer to the Parent Club for info and do your homework before such a purchase. It's buyer beware and our beloved Mastiff breed has certainly "gone to the dogs".
sad, very sad.
Gina

It worse than you may think Gina when one time members of MCOA, and what were once "reputable" breeders, have joined the ranks of the unscrupulous; when breeders themselves decide not to honor their own contracts!  Even doing your homework is no guarantee!


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You are so right Terri. Being involved in rescue since l988, I have seen and heard it all. I also did Breeder Referral for the club, but it was no guarantee that things would turn out perfect. All we can do is try to steer the buyer in the right direction and hope for the best. I guess in a perfect world there would be no problems....
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OMG I have a headache... LOL!



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People keep coming back because you always have puppies it seems. No one hates anyone, but we are very protective and defensive of this breed. To become a reputable breeder takes years of testing, experience, dedication and ensuring you are producing the best of the best healthy happy Mastiffs that looks like the standard. Anyone can have puppies, but not everyone is a breeder. We have enough "pets" out there, it's why we have rescue, quantity is not quality.
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Out of that half page diatribe, nowhere did I see any mention what so ever about health testing.  IF you were a reputable breeder your first "brag" would be the results of your testing program.

You say your new male is "out of Lazy D lines" but how far back?  Were any of the parents of any of your dogs health tested, or are you just assuming because they are "out of .... lines" that there will be no health issues?

So what if your pedigrees are 5 generation.  I can go back 7, 8 and sometimes more, generations on most of my dogs.  That doesn't mean the dog is worthy of breeding.  Who, besides yourself, has evaluated your dogs for breeding potential (one reason for showing them)?

If you truly gave a damn about the breed, you wouldn't be breeding 2 dogs of your own just because you own them both.  You would be researching health testing, pedigrees, as well as ancestors, siblings, and relatives of both dogs to find the best possible mating.

Sorry, I've seen your website, and have no desire to go further.  Health, temperament, and adherence to the standard.  Your website reinforces none of these.



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Like I said I have only had 7 of my own breeding's in the past 3years {I'm sorry 3yrs and 3months since my first litter was born}. Most my breeding's are stud breeding's. I help in placing pups and assuring all return to their breeder regardless of reasoning so they don't end up in rescue's etc. So your entitled to your opinion but the only opinions that matter to me are the families that have purchased a puppy from me in which I posted a link to this page to get "their" view on it.


ONLY 7!!!!  In 3 years!?!?!?!?

AND even MORE where you've used your studs????????

Good grief!!!  What has led you to believe that your dogs are that breeding worthy?  Certainly not the recognition of your peers.



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