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 I received the email for the Cystinuria tests for "Jimmy J" & "Norm" that I did at the Specialty and they are both Negative .YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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congrats to you and the dogs!

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Congratulation!


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yeeeeeeee-hawwwwwwww!


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Great news, Margo!  

I got my results, too, and all 6 of the tests I sent in were Negative. 

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Good news is always GOOD news...!!!!!.:-)


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All wonderful news, but corroborated validation is still missing in these tests.

If we want to validate testing for this disease, then urine samples submitted must be identified as coming from the donor dog and not a substitute.

Until a procedure for this sort of guarantee can be set in play, we can only bank on the honesty of those submitting the sample for testing.

Do not let this caveat tarnish your good news, just understand that it's not foolproof across the board!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
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Steve,

There is not one thing that involves purebred dogs that is verifiable as being true starting with the litter registration through health testing.  If someone wants to cheat...they can.  The vast majority of people who go through the time and expense of health testing their dogs, breeding stock or not, have the best interests of the breed at heart.

Though my vet knows all my dogs very well, I still have to remind him to scan before doing any of the health testing.  I don't recall seeing scanning for microchips being done at any health clinics I've been to at Specialties.  I like to think that most people are honest in their efforts to protect the breed from serious health issues.

Congratulations to all that have tested their Mastiffs for cystinuria.

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Congrats to everyone on their great news!! Now if we can continue to get everyone on the bandwagon, maybe we can make progress on controlling this disease. My hat's off to all who are testing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Though my vet knows all my dogs very well, I still have to remind him to scan before doing any of the health testing. 



Caroline,

Why do you remind your vet to do this, if verification is not important.

DNA testing can also be done if needed when registrations are in doubt.

I agree that the majority of breeders are honest folks, but let's not forget about past dealings by those who are not so honest. The AKC records are flooded with them!

"Substitutions" are a easy way to get around problems, and if we tighten testing procedures we can reduce the incidence of that "escape route"!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Then why not put substituting dogs in testing on another thread and not ruin someone's efforts.


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Not looking to "ruin" anything. I did say "wonderful news" and then added, "Do not let this caveat tarnish your good news"!

Since it was on topic, with disclaimers, why should it be seen as negative?

It applies to everyone testing, not just one individual!

The title of this thread is. "cystinuria screening results", not "my dog passed his C-test"!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Great news!!! Congrats!

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The title does not matter, the subject matter was and is Norm and JimmyJ passing....


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Steph,

All I did was congratulate and add a caveat in that single post.

Any further distortion of propriety on this thread, has been in response to other posts!

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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OK I dont get it Steve what exactly do you mean? Do you think a microchip is not good enough proof of who the dog is? I can absolutley guarantee you that everyone at the Specialty conducting these health tests KNOWS who Jimmy J is there is no other like him and I could not substitute him even if I wanted to.
What else can we do besides a microchip? He is DNA'd should they also do a repeat DNA to send in? Just what kind of people do you think we are?
I do know there are crooked breeders who have in fact done this for a clear hip rating . Cystinuria is a volunteer test why would people forge it?

And by the way thanks for your congrats ( If that is what it was...LOL )

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All wonderful news, but corroborated validation is still missing in these tests.

If we want to validate testing for this disease, then urine samples submitted must be identified as coming from the donor dog and not a substitute.

Until a procedure for this sort of guarantee can be set in play, we can only bank on the honesty of those submitting the sample for testing.

Do not let this caveat tarnish your good news, just understand that it's not foolproof across the board!

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Margo,

This is being distorted!

I wasn't referring to your dog, I was referencing testing in general.

I'm referring to tests that are done without microchip I.D. or validation.

Surely you can understand what I'm saying.

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Cystinuria is a volunteer test why would people forge it?


Let's not be naive, some people would forge any test if they think it would alter a bad outcome. You mentioned hips, why not other tests as well?

All because a test isn't mandatory, doesn't mean that some people wouldn't want a good result if buyers are asking for involuntary testing results.

On another thread I started, it clearly shows many violations done by breeders, which resulted in them getting penalized by the AKC.

My congrats to you was sincere and the internet does distort genuine meaning at times.




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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Did these come in the mail?  Am still waiting on mine.  Who do I contact if they don't show soon?

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Congrats to Margo and Carrie.





I'm glad you opted to test and your results were negative!

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  Congrats Margo and every one else, too!!



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Very good news everyone.


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