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PLEASE  Without mentioning any dogs names, breeders or owners   PLEASE

Does anyone know of any FAWN color mastiffs that are cystinuria positive and come from two fawn parents ?


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Yes.


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For the record, I am not fishing for info on individual affected dogs or pedigrees. The reason I asked this question was until this week I had only heard of C+ dogs that have come from breedings involving sires and dams that were apricots, brindles and apricot brindles.

Until now I have never heard of a single C+ dog from a fawn to fawn pairing.

When we first started UPenn cystinuria testing many years ago the application did not require us to answer a coat color question.
The current version of the application does ask for coat color.

I was just wondering since UPenn was now asking for color if it was a possiblity that the cystinuria gene was running along with the coat color gene. Now that question has been answered.

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Not sure how far you're going back but the form has had "color" on it for quite some time.  I had updated the Cystinuria Mastiff Urine submission form in 2006 (made it an interactive PDF and updated it in general)... I believe then we had added variation of color for Brindles (i.e., instead of just "brindle", we now ask if "apricot" brindle or "fawn" brindle).  Yes from what I was told, UPenn does have an area on their charts for colors so they can track.  However, I can't say whether they are basing "colors" on anything other than from a researcher's/statician's viewpoint wanting to have everything in one place.

BTW in the caninecystinuria yahoogroup there is a database we had set up for folks to go on and just add their mastiff by sex/color (anonymous) and asks specifics re: color on sire and dam.  Surprisingly yes the stats were higher for brindles and apricots... but when I asked UPenn, they said fawn predominated.  Never have seen the *full* stats from UPenn re: color tho as they had been updating their database at that point.

Anyway, all are welcome to join the caninecystinuria group @ yahoogroups.. there you will meet other affected cystinuric owners -- not just for mastiffs but all breeds.  Please remember: there is no bashing on that list. The list is made for folks to learn about the disease and to be able to help their affected dogs live with the disease and treatment options.  Also remember: it's not a "mastiff" only list... it's an "all-breed" cystinuric group list.

I've included the stats we have to-date....I don't believe many have been updating it.  There's 29 in total below. 

"Table Description:  State the color & sex of affected dog in column one. In remaining columns just place a "S" or "D" under appropriate color coding for your dog's sire/dam color and "L" or "O" for Linebred or outcross"

COLOR OF AFFECTED DOG & SEX v FAWN - D/S FAWN BRINDLE - D/S APRICOT - D/S APRICOT BRINDLE - D/S OUTCROSS/LINEBRED
Apricot Brindle Male SD O
Apricot Male  apricot line
Apricot Male SireDam Outcross
Apricot Male SD Outcross
Apricot MaleD  S 
Apricot MaleD S  
Apricot Male FluffySire Dam Outcross I think
Apricot brindle MALE DS  
Apricot brindle maleD  SL
Black brindle MALE (some dark apricot) D S 
Brindle male (apricot on head)D  S?
FAWN BRINDLE - MALESD  L
FawnS&D   Linebred
Fawn BrindleDS   
Fawn Brindle D&S  Linebred
Fawn Brindle MaleSD   
Fawn Brindle Male   DL
Fawn Brindle MaleD  S 
Fawn Male  DS 
Fawn MaleS    
Fawn MaleD & S   Linebred
Fawn MaleD/S   Outcross
Fawn brindle MALE  SD 
Fawn brindle male    outcross
Fawn male     
Male FawnSire and Dam    
apricot maleD S O
apricot maleS D O
apricot maleD  SL


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