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All dogs are Bastards from Wolves the difference is mine are considered Full Blooded Registrable with any Club for registrable Dogs--You have a MUTT--Get over it, I do not deny your love for it and the next time I see 2 dogs on the road screwing I can get you another one to love.
 
That's just PERFECT  That's the way you want to come across to the public who are directed here by many breeder's web pages so you can "educate" them?  LOL 
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Michelle - No answers to the questions pertaining to your mix? I'm just not surprised.



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Michelle, you have no more and no less than what I said.  You may give it any name you prefer, Designer dog, but a rose is a rose by any other name and yours is a beloved mutt that you paid probably a lot of money for.  You appear capable of writting well, expressing yourself well , so when did you become so stupid?  Was it at drool?
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I received this email today, so by sending people to read this board does help......

"Thank you for your quick response. I appreciate your input and have read your message board about the American mastiff; I never realized these were considered "designer" dogs and that there were so many health and temparment concerns about this mixed breed.

I am VERY interested in the English Mastiff and would appreciate your recommendation of a good, reputable breeder. Although I live in Illinois, I am more concerned with adopting a healthy puppy from a reputable breeder than the distance I may have to travel to get the puppy.

Will you be attending the dog show at McCormick Place (Chicago) in February? I attend every year (my sister participates in the agility competition with her Australian Shepherd). I would love to meet you and your dogs if you will be attending.


I look forward from hearing from you."

P.S.  If any breeders may be able to help this woman buy a puppy, please email me and I'll forward you her information.  Thanks.


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I received this email today, so by sending people to read this board does help......

"Thank you for your quick response. I appreciate your input and have read your message board about the American mastiff; I never realized these were considered "designer" dogs and that there were so many health and temparment concerns about this mixed breed.

I am VERY interested in the English Mastiff and would appreciate your recommendation of a good, reputable breeder. Although I live in Illinois, I am more concerned with adopting a healthy puppy from a reputable breeder than the distance I may have to travel to get the puppy.

Will you be attending the dog show at McCormick Place (Chicago) in February? I attend every year (my sister participates in the agility competition with her Australian Shepherd). I would love to meet you and your dogs if you will be attending.


I look forward from hearing from you."

P.S.  If any breeders may be able to help this woman buy a puppy, please email me and I'll forward you her information.  Thanks.


Since you posted the above on this thread (obviously to try to make a point), I'll make a point of my own.

I live in Illinois.  I can pass along the breeder's names (who are both members of the MCOA, so they MUST be good, right?) ..... you know...the one who abandoned his altered boy with blown-out knees and took back an unaltered boy with bad hips (obviously to breed him) and the other breeder whose dogs have bad knees and hips and need surgery before 2-1/2 years old. 

Please let me know if I can be of assistence. 

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I don't care if anyone is an MCOA member or not.  A good breeder is a good breeder, regardless of any clubs they are a member of.  When people ask me about a puppy and I can't provide one to them, I have an obligation to help them out so they get a good quality dog.  When they ask questions about the difference between a mastiff and an american mastiff, I send them here to read and make decisions for themselves.  If they want an AM after they've been informed of the difference, then that's their decision.

And yes, I am making a point.  The point being that by sending people here to read they are able to make educated decisions.  I don't see anything wrong with educating puppy buyers.  Isn't that what everyone is always encouraging breeders to do?  I'm not pulling the wool over their eyes - I'm not lying to them.  The bottom line is that the AM is a cross breed and most puppy buyers do not know this going into it.  If I can educate even one person, I know I'm doing my part.  From that point on it's up to them.


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Is anyone 100% sure what the foundation "stock" was??Did they advertise as a mix initially?This same farm has started their own registry for horse mixes so they may advertise them as a "breed".This is very sad.Please do your research of breeders AND registries.This is frowned upon for sure.This is not a case of being a pioneer,this is a case of what "stock" is on hand.Heartbreaking and  irresponsible to say the least.I own a mutt horse(PMU baby),wouldnt trade him for the world,but he is gelded and I dont try to proclaim he is a purebred anything.No one likes a liar!!!

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Needs repeating until it sinks in

The English Mastiff vs. The American Mastiff

Dr. William R. Newman
107 South Broad Street
Bedford, Pa. 15522

The MCOA is dedicated to the health and welfare of the English Mastiff breed conserving its unique breed function as a gentle giant companion and family guardian.

A pure bred dog of this type offers to his owners that he will be of a specific size, shape, color and temperament.

The predictability of a breed comes from years of selection for traits that are desirable and away from those that are undesirable. However, when a breed standard or type is set, those animals within that set have less heterozygosity than animals in a random population.

A so called “American Mastiff” is nothing but a mixed breed when the English Mastiff is crossed with an Anatolian Shepherd or whatever, the resultant first generation offspring, because it is a gamble, the offspring become an unpredictable mix. Coat, body shape, height, color, head etc become a veritable crap shoot. Behavior and temperament, the most essential character of an English Mastiff, varies and centuries of breeding for predictable behavior is lost when breeding to a dog of questionable temperament.

The MCOA is opposed to the cross breeding of pure bred dogs for the purpose of whim and fancy. These mixed breed dogs are not exempt from but more prone to the known genetic diseases of both breeds. They offer none of the advantages that owning a pure bred has to offer.

We urge you to avoid this temptation to purchase a “designer Mastiff”. Be a prudent and informed buyer – search for reputable English Mastiff web sites and most importantly the web site of the Mastiff Club of America..

Remember that buying a dog is not buying the latest electronic equipment, designer handbag or item of in style fancy. Rather it is a long term commitment to a living animal and with prudent selection, should result in wonderful long term relationship..


by:
Dr. William R. Newman

Delegate of the Mastiff Club of America

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