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Why? You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. I asked questions....haven't received answers to date.

Why come to a mastiff board to cause trouble? I don't recall joining your board to debate the issue. I love my dogs just as much as you love yours...I just don't see the point in all this.

Hmmmm, the question to me was "aren't I reading the posts" which seems to have been deleted.

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"Since AM's have HD and ED, and they drool just as much as most mastiff seems the crossing was moot. Again, I ask why didn't Frederika just try to breed true to the mastiff and better the breed that way?

What do you need a rescue for? IF the AM looks exactly like the Mastiff, albeit not a "Typy" mastiff, Mastiff rescue is called in - and they think they've just rescued a mastiff. Ingenious really."
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As stated above -- AM's do NOT have hip or elbow dysplasia.  They do NOT drool as much

 

If you read the links I posted and balrog's post, you would have an answer to your question about why Fredericka started this breed.

 

No rescue needed.  If, for ANY reason, an AM owner can't keep their dog, the breeder will take him/her back.

 

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Why? You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. I asked questions....haven't received answers to date.

Why come to a mastiff board to cause crap? I don't recall joining your board to debate the issue. I love my dogs just as much as you love yours...I just don't see the point in all this.

Hmmmm, the question to me was "aren't I reading the posts" which seems to have been deleted.
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If you read the posts and the links that were presented to you, you WOULD HAVE HAD the answers to your questions!

 

I came to ask WHY you are all BASHING another breed -- just because it isn't YOURS??  Come to our boards!  There is NOT ONE post bashing your breed!  I find it VERY IGNORANT that you are misleading others and bashing something you OBVIOUSLY have NO knowledge of!

 

I deleted my other post because, after I posted it, I felt it as a little insulting -- but, you are OBVIOUSLY not reading the posts.... because every question you have asked was answered.  You seem to just want to remain closed-minded! 

 

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I've met people with am's that have HD, and ED. Drooling is drooling, no matter what the volume. It generally depends on the situation. My Angus doesn't drool that much, and My Maggie - hardly ever at all.

Telling people the AM's don't get HD and ED blatant BS. You can't say that...it's simply not true.

I'm not saying my dog is better than your dog, and I can't guarantee my dog won't come down with either of these issues. Health testing is a great start....and a good tool. Knowing the lines you are working with, pedigrees and history.

Too funny I had to edit because I am one of the LEAST closed minded people. I don't care what kind of dog you have I love many breeds, mutts, and other animals....but don't put blinders on. I walked into this breed knowing full well what I could possibly be getting myself into.

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I have personally (and so have many others) met some of these AMs from the very breeder mentioned above.  The owners paid thousands for these dogs only to have them turn on their own family members (children and adults).  I've met more than my share w/ a bite history.  The crossing of these two breeds is a HORRIBLE combination of a gentle giant w/ a herding breed known for its sharp temperament.  Sharp temperament and largest breed in the world do not mix.  It is ALWAYS Mastiff Rescue that is called and we are ALWAYS told that these AM breeders won't return the phone calls of their buyers when the dog bites and needs to be returned.  My advice is always the same - take the dog to your vet and have him humanely euthanized.  Mastiff Rescue will NOT take these crosses in. 
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I challenge you to name ONE!  

 

I am honestly appauled by the attitudes of the majority on this site.  If I were to EVER consider getting an EM in the future, I would make sure that the breeder didn't have a closed mind and the ignorance that I see here!! 

 

Happy Holidays-- and I'm sure you're glad I won't be back!

 

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Michelle,

 

I certainly don't have to explain anything to you, as I have no idea who you *are.*  Any of us that have volunteered for Mastiff Rescue certainly have had experiences w/ the AM crosses, and none have been good. 

 

This board is about Mastiffs, which is the AKC name for our breed, and also commonly referred to as the Old English Mastiff or English Mastiff.  Most of us love this breed dearly and will continue to do what we can to educate the importance of good temperaments associated w/ such a giant sized dog. 

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Steve...would you care to give us all the true definition of a "TROLL"....I believe it is someone that comes onto a site simply to ruffle feathers....am I right?

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Shawna you are absolutely correct.
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I swore that I would never do this again. There is and has been a great animosity between OEM breeders and the AM folks. I am not going to try to alleviate this. I would recommend that the AM folks come on home and leave the OEM folks alone. You will never convince them or change their minds. I will point out a couple of facts. Not opinion or hearsay.

 

1, American-Mastiff.Org was established and is maintained by Owners of American Mastiffs. No breeder has input to or editorial control over the site. Therfore the statement that it is "one big salespitch" is false. 

 

2, Several times and on several groups I have offered, as part of the Exrecutive Council that approves AM breeders and monitors their actions, to help any Rescue Organization that has an AM from the Flying W bloodlines that was sold by an approved AM breeder to ensure the dog was returned to the breeder as stipulated by contract. In the 2 years since I first made that offer I have received no calls or e-mails from anyone in such an organization or anyone else. As to an AM "ripping someones face off". Please prove it, point to a newspaper article, police report, or humane society report where an AM from Flying W Bloodlines has done this. Otherwise it belongs with all of the other Urban Legends and "A friend of my third cousin said" BS.

 

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I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaack...

 

Greetings new and old Mastiff  lovers. I had a wonderful long talk with my old friend and mentor Joan Hahn yesterday (we go back almost 20 years, yes I'm OLD too...LOL)

It seems we have hit on a sensitive spot and you need my gentle, yet persuasive explanation again to the plight, welfare and protection of the "Lion of Dogdom"...This is not about who can come up with the least drooly, most expensive, biggest, designer dog at all...the point is, someone decided to take 2 distinct non related breeds in type, looks, temperment, JOB, and make a mix breed for the ever voracious appetite of the  uninformed, naive dog lover.

Please understand, this AM, is nothing more than a Labradoodle, Puggle, cockypoo, it was plain and simply one person's actions of ONE Purebred Anatolian to ONE Purebred Mastiff. The rest is "History" The Anatolian Parent Club is outraged and rightly so. If either of our Parent Clubs (and forget the AKC) wanted to mix up the breeds, it would of been done long ago...AKC will never, ever recognize any mix breed. We are having such HUGE problems now with over population of ALL dogs, all breeds, all the time..True Mastiff fanciers are not snobbish or closed minded. On the contrary, we are always striving to discover new and improved methods to improve the health and temperment concerns that plague our breed. Talk to Bill Newman our AKC delegate. From Hips to PRA to Bone Cancer to Thyroid,...dear people, it's a process to keep our Mastiff breed pure, healthy and happy. AND it's ALL volunteer work...no one profits from holding a place representing the awesome challenges our Mastiffs face.

Like so many on these boards, I spend countless hours on the phone, in public, in my Parent Club "doing" PR for the Mastiff breed. Educating, mentoring, RESCUE, breeder referral, it is our responsibility to protect, advance and most importantly preserve the oldest breed...the MASTIFF.

Frankly, I don't understand why anyone would be interested in a dog who's one promotional characteristic is "drooless". When breeding any dogs, the paramount concern IS the welfare, health, temperment and ultimate goal should be to better the breed. Read the Code of Ethics for our Mastiff Club of America, it is all very simple indeed. However attaining the reputation of ethical, moral, pro Mastiff breeder seems somehow elusive even for some in the Mastiff breed.

This is about respecting the Mastiff. Years of experienced, loving responsible breeders from all corners of the world (literally) but of course the good ole' USA has tried to maintain and protect our Mastiff breed.

Until someone has "worked in the trenches", labored tirelessly for the good of the Mastiff breed and has seen first hand the horrific exploitation of this proud and noble dog, then please mind your manners, get informed, absorb the facts, numbers, and come to this board for the truth in all things.

I know how passionate we all are when it comes to our dogs, no matter what they are (hello PEPE), and thank God for that. However, let's direct that passion and pride to  why we became involved in the first place...true love of the "Lion of Dogdom"...all others don't come close.

BTW...I have a book by Mike Capuzzo, another author, friend and dog lover.

The dedication to me reads: "Thank you Gina, for helping us find Texas",

Texas is a Mastiff x Sheperd mix!!!! Any Mastiff mix is a mix, mutt, a name we are not responsible for, but truth be told that is what it is.

I love all animals, but I don't love the humans at times who in turn destroy, exploit and pretend to care when only in "it" for monetary, self promotional gain. I recommend and again gently encourage anyone on here to do their homework, do the reading, go back in time and understand the Mastiff breed as it came down through the years. Until someone can find any concrete evidence that our old and dear breed needs to get a dash of this or a dash of that to improve or be recognized by any org. (other than generic CKC) I will wait...

any questions?

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Gina Anelli

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I think when it comes down to it, its not about 1 breed being better then another. This debate will most likely rage on for years with nobody wanting to back down and honestly thats fine. We all have our opinions and its great that we can share them openly. We all love our dogs no matter what their breeding or lineage is, and that is what is most important. Yes, I have an AM. Yes, I love him to death. Yes, I am getting another one next year (I hope!) But if I had an EM, i'd love him/her just the same. For most of us its not about papers, but about the love/joy they give us by being part of the family. I love ALL mastiffs whether they are neo, bull, american or english and I'd be proud to own any of them.

 

That being said, I do hope people will realize there are two breeds of dogs that call themselves an "american mastiff" one is the flying w breed, and one is called a panja. The panja has a very aggressive temperment and is unpredictable. Definitely not a family dog. I dont think alot of people know that. They all assume an AM is an AM, not realizing there are 2 that use the name.

 

So on a positive closing note, I wish everyone and their furry Mastiff friends of ALL types a happy holiday and a great new year

 

 



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Dear Balrog,

I have limited time on here, (but boy can I type fast..LOL)..I just reread your post and I am quite sure you would love to have more information about our Mastiff breed. You sound quite sincere, albeit needing some proof how bad this whole "mixing" up the breeds really is. I am one of the least nasty, controversial people you will talk to. I have been involved in Mastiffs since l989. I was Regional Rescue Director for New England, NorthEast Coast Director, CT Coordinator, Breeder Referral Volunteer, First Rescue Workshp in l992 Director, well all in all a royal pain in the arse when it comes to protecting, educating and loving my Mastiff breed...LOL..

Guess what? I was shopping Friday and a NEW petshop opened up in a neighboring town..."Puppy Patch"...they are selling Pugs for 1,500, Puggles for the low, low price of 1,000...shivering little toys that were shipped from AMISH to petshops all over NE. this is not new, improved...like the Labradoodle...in fact I had a lengthy talk with a "breeder"...price tag...1.200.

She said they were for BLIND PEOPLE who are ALLERGIC to LABS...

sad isn't it?...

and the tragedy goes on, and on...please understand ..you can ask away, I love that you all are intrigued and wanting answers...stay here, we will play nice..or NO Ice Cream after supper tonight?...ok?...

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Hi Kat,

I love your picture and enthusiasm..most importantly your passion for humans to get along...

Please again, read my post...there is a HUGE problem in the dog world...shelters are full, designer dogs are on everyone's leash, arms (can we say Paris Hilton)...petshops are killing us. Why anyone would spend $1000 to $1,500 for a mix Mastiff breed is still bewildering to me. I am not here to tell you what to do or who to love, my point is...these are not "breeds" these are mixes that unscrupulous people have made fortunes on...they thrive on human hearts to open with the pocket book..it IS your money, far be it from me ...but always remember we have an over abundance of rescues, dogs of all mixes and purebreeds in shelters.

Only by perpetuating the petshops, BYB's, or supposed "designer dog" breeders and buying them  will just enhance the burdgeoning problems out there in the dog world...PLEASE consider adopting a rescue Mastiff or contact me privately for more information...

I hate the expression "they are laughing all the way to the bank", but that is exactly what they are doing...and yes I have recieved many calls for AM's, Borbeals, and other mix Mastiffs...people being fooled into thinking they purchased a "breed"...I have seen and heard just about everything in these last 20 years...

Just think, the more AM's bred by unsuspecting owners, makes more and more...and so on and so on...it needs to stop somewhere, but as long as folks are lining up and shelling out astronomical amounts for mixes, we will continue to have serious issues in the dog world..

ya know Kat, the same is true for Mastiff breeders..truth is after seeing all the websites, litters, and popularity of my breed, I am sickened, saddened and wonder at times if I helped at all...I tried, we all did.

Merry Christmas to you and your 4-leggeds too...

I hope I did not offend you, I just am doing what comes naturally...protecting, preserving and educating the public about the true Mastiff...so dear to my heart..

Gina

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Gina and Kristen........ very well said!!!  You guys ROCK! 
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No worries Gina. I would defend Thor to the death if it came down to it . He is my pride and joy and the bond started the moment I saw him when he was 8 weeks old. He is now almost 2 and 1/2 and I can't imagine life without him. On a separate note, all of my cats have come from the local SPCA (I have 3 currently) and if I had the room/money I am sure I'd have alot more. I helped my mother adopt a pitbull/boxer mix who she adores. He is hyper active, doesn't walk well on a leash, but he is one of the best dogs and has an awesome personality. He does have a few scars on his face so you know at one time he was abused/neglected. But we couldnt love him any morethen we do.

 

Most of the shelters in my area house mostly pitbulls and pitbull mixes. There are also a lot of Lab/Retreiver rescues in the area. Most have websites but dogs are adopted so quickly, you never know what you are going to find unless you go there and look around. My biggest problem is my heart is too big I want to take them ALL home with me. I tried to get a job there when I was 17, but they declined based on my "no kill" attitude. I understand your point of view about the cross breeding situation, but I also think alot of these dogs are in shelters not because of their personality or temperment but because they were bought/adopted by bad owners. I have seen dogs returned to the shelter because they "wont listen" or they "dont behave". But when asked if they did any training (either formal or informal) the owner said they "didn't have time". That certainly isnt the dogs fault.

 

When a dog is abused they usually go one of 2 ways. They either revert into themselves and become timid and scared, or they become aggressive. Any breed or mix has the potential to be aggressive or "out of control". It is up to the owner to give the dog the love and training that is needed to make him/her a well behaved dog. I honestly believe any bad dog can be traced back to a bad owner. Not everything is about genetics and that is true for both animals and humans I think


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Just a few comments -

First, I have had a number of dealings over the years with people that had problems with their AMs.  And yes, they were AMs not Panjas.  The 3 worst I can assure you WERE from the Flying W lines as I saw the paperwork.  1 directly from Flying W and 2 from their 'certified' breeders (or what ever you call them) using Flying W lines.  This was quite a while ago and no...I no longer have their information as the situation was dealt with and is over.  If I did...I would contact them and encourage them to contact you, Kevin, so you WERE aware of what happened.  In each of these situations the dogs were VERY aggressive and a bite does not always mean a police report, news story, etc...most people really try to keep that kind of thing to a minimum.  Each one of these situations...the breeder was unwilling to help.  IF they would even return the contact of the people they were unwilling to help with advice, etc.  And NONE of the 3 was willing to return the dog to the breeder as they were told it had to be returned intact and were afraid it would be bred and the problem just passed on down the line.  Also, these 3 homes were very good homes and had gone through all the steps you could expect of them; socialization, training, etc.  But, they could no longer put their family or friends at risk.

Secondly, and this is true with any breed/breeder, when enough puppies are produced there will be the good, the bad and the ugly mixed in.  There is not a single breed/breeder out there that can claim 100% of their dogs produced have the health, temperament, look, etc that they claim in their breed standard or elsewhere.  Most do their best towards this goal but there are going to be the ones that pop up that don't fit.  It is kind of like if a breeder produces 100 puppies and claims 10 champions and 30 went to show homes and were shown...but all they focus on the 10 champions produced and no one ever hears about the others...hmmmm...Wouldn't it be better to produce 10 puppies and have 10 champions??  Well, that is going to be a very rare thing...but maybe you get what I am trying to say.  As many AMs are out there...it is irresponsible to claim NO aggression or NO health problems, etc.  And the people that are very happy with their AMs are more likely to be outspoken about them.  They love their dogs, as we all do, and want to share about them, defend them, etc.  Those that had bad experiences...usually just want to move on and forget it.  Very few people will put up a 'stink'.  Most people are not confrontational and simply want to forget what happened.

Thirdly, no one is claiming that the Mastiff (as called by the AKC), is problem free.  Just refer to the Breed Club's website to see all the problems in the breed.  They are also not claiming to have never had to incorporate other breeds (related to the Mastiff) in order to save them from extinction.  The problem that many of us have with the AM (and really any of these 'designer' breeds) is the false claims.  The claim of NO Hip or Elbow dysplasia...there is not a single dog listed on the OFA site under American Mastiff.  Where can these health testing scores be seen??  If the answer is simply vet checked...please...I have seen dogs that needed hip replacement surgery get an OK from a regular vet.  The bottom line is that these puppies are being sold under false pretenses.  There is NO breed of dog that can claim ZERO health problems. 

Those that know me personally know that I have often said that I don't have to agree with some one's choices, etc as long as they are responsible and stand behind their decisions.  My personal opinion is that crossing the Mastiff and the Anatolian was a disaster in the making.  (Temperament and health wise)  You have 2 breeds with conflicting temperaments and while you may get some Mastiff, some Anatolian, the middle of the road dogs are the ones that are a time bomb.  And any advances that either breed has made in reducing the health problems in their respective breeds just took a MAJOR hit and all the work went out the window.  You MAY be seeing a decrease in the health issues right now.  HOWEVER, as these recessive genes from the two breeds start getting more widespread...they are going to start matching up.  What happens when you get two recessives???  And then of course...the standing behind the decision...I am sure there are some breeders that will stand behind their decision and be responsible with the puppies.  My experiences did not reflect this.  And when the 'founder' of this 'breed' is one of them...and is the 'mentor' for the following breeders...it will affect my opinion of the entire group of breeders.


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Hi Balrog,

I enjoyed your post.  I'm going to throw in a twist.  Most of the dog owners I know keep their dogs as house pets.  A few go to dog parks.  A few enjoy the company of their dogs while driving in their vehicles.  I don't see many dogs in 'public'.  My mastiff and I have spent many hours in the past few weeks Christmas shopping in the Phoenix area enclosed malls.  He is my service dog.  He accompanies me to the hospital, grocery store, movie theater, restaurant, etc.  He goes everywhere I go.  People are very kind about not bothering me when I'm alone with my mastiff.  His vest is marked 'working dog - do not pet'.  When my wife is along, she often is bombarded with questions about the breed.  I've never known a more gentle animal.  We constantly hear the whispers "He's the biggest dog I've ever seen", "He's gorgious", and of course "Mommy, is that man blind?" LOL. I'm not.  There is a lot of ooing and ahhing when he sits, lays, stays, stands, or comes, all by hand commands without uttering a word.  If I had a truckload like him I could walk through a mall and sell them all for many thousands of dollars apiece, and people wouldn't care about pedigree.  As my trainer says, "He is the true diplomat of his breed".  I can understand both sides of this OEM/AM thing.  Breed lovers are steadfast in there beliefs, as they should be.  Before my handicap I owned a Quarterhorse, a grandaughter of Leo, one of the founding sires.  I can certainly understand those that don't want a 7/8th's of this and 1/8th of that.  There is room for both views, but this is an OEM site for OEM lovers.

 

By the way, my Mastiff is an American Mastiff.  There is a good American Mastiff site on Yahoo as well.

 

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You are absolutely correct. No breed is free from defect. Every breed has health and temperament problems. The Approved AM breeders guarantee how they will deal with these issues by contract with the buyers. I know each and every one of the current approved breeders. Since the AMBC was formed every single breeder has has to be investigated and approved by the Breed Council Executive committee. None of them are puppy mills. I have personally "rescued" two AM's and assisted with a couple of others. The primary problem was not aggression but a shy dog being put into the wrong home. After being relocated all are doing well. However this breed got started and whatever checkered past people want to ascribe to it. People like myself and the hundreds of happy owners (I can point you to a group of them) are dedicated to making the AM a child the OEM and the Anatolian can be proud of. We all acknowledge that the work of the OEM breeders and the Anatolian breeders has made us possible. That is why none of us disparage either breed.

 

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That settles it!

 

I'm proceeding with my planned mastiff/chihuahua cross!

 

(1) I guarantee that there will be savings on feed bills!

 

(2) There will be less volume of stools!

 

(3) Tea-cup mastiffs can be carried in a purse!

 

(4) Mailmen won't be intimidated!

 

(5) Breeding is a snap!

 

(6) Snoring has been eliminated!

 

(7) Barks will actually be worse than their bites!

 

Yes my friends, it's the dawn of a new era!

 

Sign up and be the first to receive this wonderful new breed!

 

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A lot of AM supporters claim their dogs have no hip or elbow dysplasia.

 

Have any of these dogs been officially tested? X-rayed with results sent in to OFA or Penn-hip?

 

If not, it's just an empty claim, much the same as many BYB of Mastiffs make.

 


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I want a male and a female along with breeding rights.  What colors will we have to choose from? :-)

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All designer colors, including Martha Stewart pastels!


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In the spirit of the Holiday Season can we all just leave it be? Seriously, I'm not beating up on the owners of the AM. I appreciate all responsible owners, no matter what kind of dog they have. What I hate to see is owners who are uneducated about the dog period. I see that all too often.

Like I said, we all love our dogs and want what is best for them. It stands to reason we'd defend them. This is my first AKC registered dog of any breed. I've had many dogs in the past, most mixes of some type or another...none were perfect except in my heart and eyes. The breeders on this and many other Mastiff sites (me not being one of them) work VERY hard to eliminate health issues, while still maintaining a standard. They do this at a lot of expense, heartache, tears and on very little sleep sometimes They have my respect and admiration. It would break my heart if I worked so hard on something, put so much into creating something only to have someone come along and try to destroy what I had done. I'm not saying the AM has destroyed the Mastiff - there are so many BYB's and Puppymills working pretty diligently to do that all on their own. It's them we should be fighting to shut down together. They don't care about temperment, only the $$ - that is how the Mastiff will end up on BSL, on breed bans etc.

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Crosses were done after the war in order to revitalize the breed and to eliminate those crossed in types over time!

 

They were judicious and had a specific goal in mind. The last thing we need is another bastardized mastiff wannabe, being "validated" by some second rate KC!!

 

What's most important is intent!


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Lora and others,

I'm busy making cookies (tryin to anywho)..LOL..and I understand your concerns about the "love"..in the meantime, ..let me say this another way...

OUR MASTIFF BREED IS IN TROUBLE!!!!!....

BUELLER...BUELLER...

I'm sorry, but I can't shout it from the rooftops any longer, and yet part of me can't and won't give up...please, please forget anything about bleeding heart rescues, mixes, shelters...

think about this..OUR MASTIFF BREED IS IN TROUBLE!!!!

 

Without the help of AM's, mixes, whatever, I am trying to say...WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM of OVER population, exploitation and general apathy for the plight of the "Lion of Dogdom"...

 

When you have been around this long, and have seen, heard, tried and tried again to mend broken hearts, euthanize Mastiffs, keep on saying over and over again...PLEASE HELP THIS BREED...it gets so tiresome.

 

I don't have to keep preaching, no I don't...everyone IS entitled to their own opinion...but the FACT is OUR MASTIFF BREED IS IN TROUBLE!!!!

 

Look up litter registrations, check out the thousands of websites...everyone is a breeder, everyone has the best, everyone has litter upon litter...there are two right now (breeders) with FOUR litters due within weeks of each other?...LOVE? no, Welfare of our breed, no...MONEY...money..money. When talking with one of the most beloved, educated authors of our Mastiff day (Joan Hahn) we both are saying the same thing...what has happened? What WILL happen? How do we help?...what can we do?...this list IS helping, but only to those who are devoted loyalists not only of Mastiffs, but the dog world in general..I know everyone loves their dogs, but please...please...keep it real (hmmm...too much Flavor Flav?)...

 

Adopting is wonderful, buying from a responsible Mastiff is wonderful, spending hours doing your homework, learning, reaching others to "champion" our Mastiff breed is wonderful...please...

 

love,

Gina

P.S. STEVE are you coming for dinner?...LOL

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