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I received this email today - it is a perfect example of what is going on.................

I am researching the American Mastiff as a family pet for my family.  I have two children and we live on a fenced acre in XXXXXXXXXX.  What I am looking for is a pet that will be part of the family but will also provide some protection without being scary for my kids.  I have done some initial research to know that the American Mastiff has a gentle soul, while still being a fierce protector.  I also understand that the American Mastiff has a dry mouth in comparison to the English & Bull Mastiff, which is a strong consideration on my part.  I would be interested to talk to you about my situation and the compatibility of the American Mastiff and our lifestyle.


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Wow - I had never even heard of an "AM" until after I got Monty and learned about it on a board.  She must have done a search and got you because of the disclaimer re: the AM you have on your website.....  Do you think that's how she got you if she's looking for an AM? 


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Yes, that's one of the reasons I have it on there - it gives me a chance to explain to people what the difference between the two are.

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Tis a good idea for more breeders to put that disclaimer on their sites - this will give the OEM community a chance to explain the differences! 
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Bump (one of my personal favorites)

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Jan I put your disclaimer on my site also because of phone calls I get for them too

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That's great Angie - thank you.  I also made a change to my page so they can click and it takes them directly to this thread.  You should check it out if you get a chance - it's at the bottom of the page.  http://www.goldleafmastiffs.com



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I am glad that you are able to educate folks on this issue. On the board I was a member of previously, there were lots of AM owners. And there was a huge thread that got heated about the debate. I know I don't have enough of an education on the breed to make any statements. I have enough to do just learning about the EM and I've been studying them for almost 5 years now. What I think is sad is the folks who read about the AM only on an AM breeder's website and then think they have enough of an education on the breed to make an educated choice. Jann, I hope you get lots of hits on your website that way and can educate many people. I hope all you breeders will use her disclaimer too and link folks here.


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I recently adopted a Wonderful dog and was wondering what type of mix breed she might be, I  have read a lot about both the oem's and the am's and i wasn't aware of the problems with temperament in the am's,it is a new breed to me as well so... I can only hope my dog is mixed with a oem and not an am! I  have had her for about 2 mon. now and i love her so much, she never leaves my side. She dose drool, but only when she drinks water and when she is running around(witch isn't that often) any info would be greatly app.      Brittnie   

 

PS. I have a 7 year old son and she is good with him no problems yet, but she is very afraid of other dogs. I  have been taking her to the dog park reg. and she seams to be doing better but she still is afraid and will stay right by my side and has no interest in playing with the other dogs. Should i be concerned?    I have Attached 2 pic's of her . She is around 7 mon. and is 75lbs.


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Brittnie, she looks like she could have mastiff, Great Dane and/or Boxer in her. She is a cutie.

Personally, if she is afraid of other dogs, I wouldn't be taking her to a dog park. You will be risking her becoming fear aggressive. Find some friends with stable, calm adult dogs and walk them on leash together. You may need to walk 20-30 feet from each other at first, but it takes time to socialize a timid dog and just throwing them in a situation that makes them scared won't help. It could even make it much worse and she also will learn to not trust you to make her environment safe for her.


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Thanks for the help, I dont know  anyone that would be willing to help me with my dog though, most of the people i knoe have very small dogs and are afraid of her size, i personlay dont think she's very big lol.

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i am a newbie i guess you can say, but i think people get caught up in the Corso/Mastiff cross because of the coat color and the eye color.  some are grey/blue and they have blue eyes, some are black with blue eyes and so on.  i think that is the fascination with the breed.  yes they are big like mastiffs but come in a different variety of colors than regular mastiffs do.  i say this because a co-worker of mine was with me one day when i was looking at the different breeders sites and what they produce and we came across that site.  she was in awe of the different colors of coats and eyes.  i had to tell her that they were not 100% mastiffs and were a cross.  she tells me "but they are so pretty".  ok i can understand, but you have to know the temperament of the Corso to be fully informed.  i have not run across an aggressive mastiff and hope to god i dont.


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I have an AM (flying W farms). I have had (2) EM's. She's no different than the EM's. No wonder why there's so many animals in our society, mixed breeding 

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Hi Jakecarly,
Glad you joined. Why don't you tell us about you and your dogs - we always love to see pictures. Sorry, but I'm not sure what your last sentence means...."no wonder why there's so many animals in our society, mixed breeding".

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I see so many defensive or angry words towards the Name American Mastiff. As I said I grew up with 2 English Mastiffs, Sampson (a male) my father was heart broken when we put him down @ 2yrs old. He had a problem with his hip, he was very large. Then we had samantha, a female, she lived til 10 yrs old & was very sweet & very protective. I have 2 teenagers, jake & carly. I always wanted another English Mastiff. My wife hated the drooling & wet mouth. We did some research & found Fredricka.  After reading her website & all the AM breeders using her dogs we decided to go in that direction. I went up to that farm & those people do wonderful things. It took us 8 mos to get Daisy, who is now 17 weeks. She is everything we thought she would be. If I could I would have many more AM' & EM's. I see alot of bashing on this site. Can you imagine why humans are so screwed up- cross breeding. Thats a joke. I know there are bad people & bad breeders, but this line from Fredricka, whether your readers call it a mut os anything else is magnificent, just like your EM's
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Jakecarly,
It sound like you love your girl very much.  It's not that we're trying to bash the AM breeders/buyers, but we want to make sure people make educated decisions before they commit to any breed.  What has happened is that the EM breeders have started to get many calls from people that ask for AM's, but these people have no idea there is a difference.  There is no doubt that the AM is a cross between the English Mastiff and the Anatolian, whether that is good or bad is up to each individual.  It is our job as EM breeders to educate and inform the novice puppy buyer of the difference.  I personally do not bash the AM's when I receive these calls, but I do inform each person of the difference.  I ask them to go to AKC and read the standard on the EM's and on the Anatolians - it's up to them at that point which direction they would like to take. 

Thank you for your views - we may not agree on whether there is a difference or not in the two breeds, and I won't try to convince you otherwise.  I would like you to know that you are welcome on this board and your views are appreciated.  We have a nice group of knowledgeable breeders here that are very passionate about our breed.  Thank you for writing.


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Jakecarly,
Do you by chance have any pictures of the EM's your father had?  I'm assuming it was many years ago, and I'd love to see pictures if you have any.  Thanks.


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I would love to send you pictures of Daisy, I can't seem to upload the pictures from my office. I do have pictures of both Sampson & Samantha. I would have to scan them at home to send them to you. Do you want me to e-mail them. I e-mailed you some pictures

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Jakecarly,

Your dog is so lucky to have ended up in a loving home! I hope she gives you many years of companionship.
I do know where Fredricka acquired her english mastiffs and that was on a auction block. Very sad indeed to see these majestic mastiffs sold as breeding stock and then bred to other breeds because they have no AKC registration papers. Please don't perpetuate this horrid practice by posting the pictures of these dogs here. It just makes my heart sick to think of some beautiful, trusting, loving mastiff girl on the auction block to be used, used and used until they die.
I noticed on the Flying W site she quit breeding AKC registered mastiffs in 2000, this might of been the auction at which she purchased her dogs:
http://www.oemtf.com/Missouri%20Auction%20Report.htm


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Give me a break. You seem to know it all.

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Jakecarly,

 

I am wondering if you actually saw where the mastiffs that are bred to other breeds are homed?  Did you go to Fredricka's place?  If so, I'm just curious if her dogs were in her home, close to her, etc.  Or is the "place" you visited the breeding/whelping home/facility for the AM?  I a bit confused?


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I've run across several American mastiffs from Flying W on various boards. None of them are drooless, that is a fallacy. I've noticed that they are often taller, lankier and have less bone than Mastiffs, which is most likely a result of the addition of the Anatolian. I have heard that some have aggession problems, but the ones I have run across have not. You have to realize that many people with a purebred dog are most interested in preserving their breed, not seeing it mixed with another. It is nothing personal against the buyer or the dog, but the breeder that does this and promises things that are not true.  

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Jakecarly,

 

You'd be amazed at what the breeders on this board know.  I'm sure you love your girl just as much as the rest of us love our dogs.  I've had mixed breeds that I love just as much as my mastiff.  But with ALL mixes, you never know what your going to get in the gene pool and when something goes wrong it gives the mastiff breed a bad name.  These breeders have to deal with this on a regular basis.  All I can sugest is for you to be open to the education they can give you on this situation .   


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Jann, I just added your disclaimer to our website, thanks.


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Your welcome John.

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