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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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http://devinefarm.net/rear.htm

 

Good illustrations!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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http://www.geocities.com/bandamastiffs/puppies.html

Look at "Major" to see good rear angulation.

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Hindquarters

NOTE: illustrations are NOT part of the official standard!

"Hindquarters - Broad, wide and muscular.
Second Thighs - Well developed, leading to a strong hock joint."

Good 2nd ThighNarrow

"Stifle Joint - Is moderately angulated matching the front."
Balanced (matching)NOT Matching

"Rear Legs - Are wide apart and parallel when viewed from the rear."

"When the portion of the leg below the hock is correctly `set back' and stands perpendicular to the ground, a plumb line dropped from the rearmost point in the hindquarters will pass in front of the foot. This rules out straight hocks, and since stifle angulation varies with hock angulation, it also rules out insufficiently angulated stifles. Fault - Straight stifles."
Over AngulatedModerateModerateStraight
Over AngulatedModerateModerateStraight
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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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a famous bitch....

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Left to right:  1.  Crouch (notice upperthigh angles in).  2.  Correct (notice upper thigh parrallel with hock.  3.  Set to far back (notice hocks are angled inward).  4. No angles (straight almost from hip to ground).

The rear angles of an Italian Greyhound

While the front might pull the body forward, the rear is the powerhouse of the running dog. The standard calls for "long, well-muscled" thighs. Short thighs would be a major deviation from the breed standard. The thighs are the power of the running dog so those long bones would be needed to propel the dog forward. The standard also calls for hocks "well let down"... which means short hocks. The hocks are the pushing gear for the back legs... much like that of an athlete's foot and ankle. Power is derived from a powerful push from the hocks. As such, sickle or frozen hocks would be highly penalized because power would be lost. Long hocks would be much like a pipe. The longer the pipe, the weaker it is. On the other hand, the shorter the pipe, the stronger it is (everything else being equal, of course).

Also called for is the "well-bent stifle" (knee). Straight stifles would mean less speed and more restricted movement, both under the dog and for pushing strength. Straighter stifles also put more pressure on the knee, producing more blowouts of the stifles. Turns or pivoting would likely become more difficult (except perhaps at a standstill). Straighter stifles also seem to coincide with shorter thighs and knees seem to be brought straight up to the loin - giving the effect of a military march. Because of the shorter thigh it is difficult for such dogs to reach forward with the rear leg. Straight stifles can also cause illusions. When a straighter stifled dog is moving away, the dog’s movement appears to be clean. The side gait, however, will tell the truth... that the movement is restricted.

Over-done rears (excessive bend of the stifles) could also present a problem. Power would be lost as the delicate balance of a driving force would be lost. In studying mechanics one knows that in building something for power, the larger angle is not necessarily the better. Forward stride of the rear leg would also be not as far reaching, as the angle would not allow for the legs to push off for full maximum efficiency. Dogs with over-done rears, when moving, try to compensate for the lack of strength. Over-done rears also tend to have too much length, either to the upper thigh or lower thigh. The knees are brought up and outward - away from the body as the legs are brought under the dog. Bringing the legs under the body is the only way to "clear" the knees. Many times over-done rears also cause an overreach of the rear legs because of length of bones. As breeders, one should be careful not to misconstrue this as a proper rear! Many times over-done rears give the illusion of reach, when in fact it is just that, an illusion. So well bent would mean, that while there is a good bend, over-done is as undesirable as under-done.

The standard also calls for "Hind legs parallel when viewed from behind". This means that when viewing the rear legs from behind, the hocks should not point inward nor outward but give the appearance of a parallel line running from hip to foot. When moving, the rear legs (besides being neither cow-hocked nor open-hocked) should neither be too wide nor too narrow. When moving away the hind legs should fall directly under the hips. This is the correct movement.

A wide rear (which causes a dirty-diaper type walk) would, when running, cause a loss of power in the running (or trotting) stride. Part of this reason is aerodynamics. With the main thrust of the power outside the confines of the body some of the power will be lost due to having to over-compensate for maximum push. Consider lifting something... in humans most powerlifters set their legs directly under the shoulders. More power in the legs would be needed if the legs were set outside the shoulders (also too much strain is placed on the knee). Legs close together, while not as powerful, result in the power coming from the legs and reduce strain on the knees. Narrow rears, while less powerful, would have less power loss because the hind legs are under the body. The body is better able to push forward because the power is being exerted under the body not from the outside.


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For the betterment of the breed

"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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