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I really enjoyed this thread along with all the pictures and information.  I thought I would bump it back to the top in case any new members haven't seen it yet.

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"should be completely covered with very dark stripes."

Says the standard... =) To me that means a black mastiff. Is that what the standard revisionists wanted it to mean? No. =) But that's what it literally means to me. There was quite a rumble over this at the National in Texas back shortly after the revision of the standard. It is my understanding that there were some folks involved in the revision who were adamant that it would be incorrect for a brindle to have "uneven" amounts of brindling, such and normal to light brindling on the show side, and just one or 2 black stripes on the non-show side, such as the coat of a certain National Specialty BOB winner... =)

I choose to interpret the current standard's intention as an EVENLY distributed amount of brindle, with a preference for the darker brindle, but I've never seen a show where dogs were so evenly matched that color should have entered into the equation when it came to a decision.

BTW, we've typically gotten normal to black brindles, Ursa never threw a pup like herself, though she did throw a few very dark brindles when bred to a fawn dog.

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Hi Jess - glad you made it to the board.  Do you have any pictures you can post?  Gorn was awesome!!!!!  I just watched his video - WOW!

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Hi, Jess!  Good to see you in this thread!  Our 'black' brindle girl above is from our breeding with Lacey and Gus who is out of Sagar and Dru.  So that 5wk old baby is Great Grandson??  LOL  The extended family you must have around the country.  Anyway...I tend to prefer the darker brindles...we were hoping that she would have thrown more of the darker brindles.  But in fact it was her sister that threw the darker brindles and she threw the lighter ones...
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Erika gorgous girl!!!! She is a very head turner Candi

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I thing Brindles are amazing, If the standard does say completely covered then it to me means a black mastiff. I think brindles are very striking although to my experiance in the show world a few judges look past the color and really look at what type or how your dog is put together. Its sad that the brindles have to wait for a brindle judge when in all reality if someone knows mastiffs well they will be able to look past the color and put up the mastiff for what they really are. I have a reverse or light brindle and you know I wouldnt trade him for the world he is neuterd. His dad is one of the nicest put to gether mastiffs I have seen in a long long time again he is a reverse too. So I think if a mastiff is well put together sound in both mind and body then why should his brindleing be counted against him or her. Candi http://www.prayerboxmastiff.com

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Jamie - the darker apricot boy in the pic is beautiful!!   
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Thank you, Monica!  We are very proud of him and how he is turning out.


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Yes Jess..pictures would be awesome.. your dogs are beautiful!!  I watched the video of Gorn too and I don't know if I am bias or what but to me Cooper looks alot like his Grandpa/Great Grandpa.  Little bit different in the face but body and movement are so much alike it's startling! It's amazing how those genes get past along thru the generations. 


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I have been enjoying all the brindle pics, and I decided I needed to add my beautiful brindle girl!



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Welcome aboard Jess!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
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Enjoyed this thread.  Especially since I now have a brindle.

Question. Is brindled ears a fault? My Java has about 1/2 and 1/2 right now. Top half brindled, bottom half is not as dark as her mask, but it is light black. (she is 11 wks today)

Beautiful brindles everyone!

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Tisha - Brindles can have a lack of pigment just like fawns and apricots.  A brindle should have a dark mask and dark ears, too.  But...your's is just a puppy...and I have found that the ears 'usually' darken with age. 
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Thanks for the response Jamie!  

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Tisha,

To answer your question bluntly... YES brindle ears are a fault.  They should be black.  They could get darker but how much is not known until she gets older. 

Remember though it is just a fault.  This is where some people think breeding to a brindle will make a mask or pigment darker in muzzle or ears.. I personally don't think that to be true, and believe breeding to a brindle will not make the pigment in ears and mask darker.  I am trying to learn genetics, and then throw color genetics into the mix I get TOTALLY LOST LOL..


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Hey Jenn, thanks for the response. Just talked to you for half an hour and never brought it up. LOL We had more important things to discuss. LOL

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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I'm really starting to warm up to these brindles.  I'm see some very nice looking dogs..Thanks!!

 

That Bredwardine boy is something else!!


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Wow, what a great looking brindle. He is very nice.

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Some pics of our brindles as requested...there are a bunch since they are our favorite color...

we started with Hannibal, an apricot brindle:



and bred him to a fawn bitch and got Trouble, another apricot brindle:


who we bred to an apricot to get Ursa, another apricot brindle, who had more heavy brindling on her left side than on her right:


when bred to a fawn she threw a variety of evenly brindled to darkly brindled pups (plus fawns and apricots) a couple of her brindle kids:




a variety of photo of brindles from our subsequent generations here:











































and our newest pup...probably the closest we've had to Ursa in color in generations:










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I remember your mom's first one!

 

FANTASTIC GROUP OF BRINDLES JESS!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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LOL, you weren't kidding when you said your favorite. Great looking, ALL of them, Jess!

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This is a terrific thread!! I LOVE seeing everyone's pictures

Jess that last pup is the most delightful little cutie!


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Jess your group is awesome asusual!!!


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