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Hi Steve,

 

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It doesn't matter what "our" personal preferences are. I prefer a darker brindle as well, so what?

 

Was this quote directed at me? If so, I do not recall stating any preference for shading in my posts besides stating that I loved Cider's color. All I discussed was what is correct.


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I do think that the way the AKC standard is written lends to a darker brindle being preferable.  However, in the grand scheme of things to me...it falls into that "cosmetic category" like light colored eyes, of longish coat (not talking fluffy).  Personally, I have seen some really fantastic reverse brindles...like I said, Clarence was one of them...and boy did he produce some fantastic kids. 

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Erica,

 

The "preference" remark was not directed at you, it was a carry over from Geri's conclusions and was meant as a general rule regarding "subjective" opinion vs the standard's wording.

 

The colors that we see today in apricot, fawn & brindle are as a rule, generally accepted colors by most judges and breeders.

 

The "brindle du jour" has been going toward the dark side ( no Star Wars pun intended ) for some time now. The night watchers dog was the bull-mastiff and the dark brindle was of more use perhaps there ( although there are many diverse theories on was constitutes the best camouflage ) than in mastiffs per se! ....from the bull-mastiff standard ("Any shade of brindle, fawn or red, but the colour to be pure and clear" )

 

I strongly feel that the standard has needed clarification on many items, not just color and have stated so many times over the years, in many different venues.

 

 

 

 


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Geri: As you know I like brindles and FOR me I like to look at 50 - 50. It's just frosting on the cake to me , it's what is under that counts. When you bred to my Garth " CH. Celtic Garth of Dujons" he to me was a reverse brindle. Garth has produced dark brindles.


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Here is Kearny.  She is 8 months old in these pictures.  She is a fawn brindle, but I swear sometimes when I look at her she has this apricot tinge to her coat.  It really all depends on the lighting. 

 

Do any of you see an apricot tinge or is that just my imagination? 

 

Should they still have the black mask and ears if they have the brindle markings?

 

 



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Hello,

 

I am going to jump in with a few comments on brindles and as soon as Jann walks we thru how to do more (like upload pictures) I will do a proper introduction.

 

In talking with Dave Hussey a couple of years ago at the REMC Regional Specialty about the standard as pertains to the open brindle, he said the committee that drafted the revised standard could not agree about how much brindling was acceptable or not acceptable and hence the seemingly vague terminology in our standard.  Dave was on that committee, so I'm assuming this is accurate information.  We agreed that a good dog was a good dog regardless of coat color.

 

On a more personal note, my last litter produced 6 brindles (out of 10 pups) of varying amounts of stripes.  The first pup to finish his championship, of the 5 that did, was Rio, an open brindle.  Judges see a variety of brindle patterns on Great Danes and Boxers and were not the least bothered by his lack of stripes.  Rio was placed originally on a limited registration, neuter contract with the option to show IF I felt at 6 or 7 months he was show quality.  He definitely was and had no trouble finishing with 3 majors and BOB's from the classes as well as making the cut twice in Group--all with Grandma handling.

 

Two other brindle males finished (Lucah and Oberon) with both having a little different coloring though I would not consider either open brindles.  In the 2 litters that Lucah has sired, brindle coats have ranged from open to dark, with the open pup being less open that Rio.

 

I will admit that I was a tad confused with that brindle litter (my first) by the lack of stripes on some of the pups.  I had to ask someone if they got more stripes as they got older.  Must have been sleep deprivation.

 

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Yes, brindle dogs still need the correct mask and ear pigment. For many years people believed that the brindle color, if bred to fawn, would automatically improve pigment in fawn mastiffs. That is not true!

 

Some brindles lack pigment in their ears as well.


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Just a picture of CH. Celtic Garth of Dujons...who finished his Championship very quickly with just a few shows. A reverse brindle for sure. I prefer a darker brindle, but color is the last thing that concerns me.



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I believe that dog has dark stripes all over!

 

Old Schools Ursa Major ( don't quote me on this, it's been a while ) had a similar coat. I'm sure Donna Bahlman could attest to that, it was one of her foundation dogs!


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I personally feel the mask and ears are essential - I'm still trying to visualize the "without" version.  Jennifer P.  I do see the apricot tinge.  I have seen some solid fawns that have that same "tinge" to them.  There just seems to be a bit more red in the fawn tone sometimes....

 

I'm very new and warming to brindles - thanks to all that post their beautiful pics and truly great looking dogs.  I like the variation and hope that the standard does not limit it.  The importance is still seeing a proper mastiff and enjoying the variation in coat and color (the icing on the foundation).  I know I'm enjoying viewing all the pics here so I would not want to see only one "brindle color" standard.


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In the 70's, the best bitch in the country was also not a very dark brindle.

 

Ch. Thunderhills Abbess! Owned by Ed Gerace and handled by Alan Levine!

 

 


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Here are some of my brindles....different shades of brindle....all are related...grandma Sage(on futon of course), mom Skye(darkest black girl), and kids Shimmer, Shake, and Shotzi.



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Steve: Yes he has stripes and a beautiful full dark mask. I have gotten some really nice Dark brindles from him. Sooooo I think the term Light brindle and dark brindle is perhaps the correct term. I have recently seen a SOLID black Mastiff who was sired by a very, very dark apricot/brindle imported from Australia ! First time for me to see a solid black.....


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Dawn,

 

Solid blacks were seen back at the turn of the century ( and I don't mean the year 2000 ), yet they have not been seen since. Most "blacks" are just brindles without visible brindling showing. I doubt if they would consistently throw blacks!

 

Would love to get them back!

 

I wonder if the standard would accomodate?


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http://www.mastiffassociation.com/Info/interpretedstandard.htm

 

*See brindles!


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30 years ago

 

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Great picture of 30 yrs Steve ! I remember watching a FEW of the Mastiffs back then and thinking OH MY what a big dog, never thinking I would come to love the breed as I do. Is that Alan Levine handling ?


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Correct! That's Alan!

 

He was truly a great handler, I learned a lot of tricks from him. Vic Capone was also good. Vic looked like a ballroom dancer, very elegant in the ring and dressed to kill. Alan had his cowboy hat and handlebar mustache, which brought him attention. They both always stood out in a crowd.

 

* notice how the pigment in Abbey's ears is lacking! 


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They were always Gentlemen. Some of the handlers today could take some lessions in that field. They forget that they are being paid by the person who ownes the dog. I have seen a " few " them be actually rude to a new person to the SPORT or the owners in front of people. The old guys still have manners. ( ha ha )

Note: when I mentioned a solid black to you. I do know of a very well known breeder who attempted to breed solid blacks to introduce BLACK MASTIFFS as a breed. AKC requires I think it's 7 generations of it to breed true. He got to the 7 generation of breeding black to black and got a litter of all stripes, no solids...............so that was the end of that. This was just a few yrs (4 ) ago that he reach to where he throught he had what he wanted. So you are right that the solids are masking stripes.


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A bit of trivia......

 

Alan preferred the look of Newfs over mastiffs, as did Tobin Jackson!


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I think historically darker brindles are more correct. A Mastiff's original purpose was guardian of the home. I read somewhere (can't remember where..) that the fawn and apricot dogs would guard the estate during the day, and the brindles were let out at night.

 

 My Ziza is a "regular" brindle, I would say she is "hard to see" at night.

 My black brindle girl Renee, on the other hand, is downright invisible until she is a foot away from you! (And as big as she is she can be perfectly quiet as well.)  

Baby Renee in the snow:

 

 I personally think the best example of correct brindle I've seen is Greiner Hall Neo. That being said I'll now add that I love all brindles, period! I have seen quite a few very light reverse brindles who I thought were very striking, and some apricot brindles whose pattern was not clearly defined, but yet absolutely lovely in their own right.

I simply love brindles  


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As long as the stripes are evenly dispersed and cover the entire body, this poster feels that there is a broad spectrum which should be considered as "correct"!

 

We don't want a few stripes on a fawn dog, or a group of stripes only on a certain part of the dog etc.

 

Stealth and camouflage are obtained through a number of color patterns.

 

Tigers are not all black and lions ( who hunt more by night than by day ) are also not black!

 

In the 70's, the black black brindle was not the norm. Usually, brindles had tiger like stripes and today they appear much darker and not as well defined.

 

There's lots of room for both! In my humble opinion!

 

 


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I will jump into this discussion too!

"Fawn, apricot, or brindle. Brindle should have fawn or apricot as a background color which should be completely covered with very dark stripes."

I think it is the word completely that muddies the waters. For some people it means the dog should be completely covered in stripes, almost a black dog. Others feel it means the dog be evenly covered, no bare spots, with stripes.

I personally have an aversion to the term Reverse. It use to be said in a tone that was not nice to say the least. With a wrinkling of the nose and a sniff like somethings stinks! ha ha! I think now it isn't so much a bad term but one I still don't feel is correct. Dogs are either lightly brindled or heavily brindled. I like a dog to have 50-60% brindle, but I also love the lighter marked dogs if they have good pigment.

It is funny in the Boxer standard it covers the term Reverse, it uses that term for a dog with heavy striping, almost black.

My first Mastiff was a very light fawn brindle and I have had two since that were nice shades of apricot brindle. Brindle is my favorite color! I will post pictures of all three.



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* note * that most of the very dark brindles are accompanied by the apricot ground.

 

The "reverse" brindles were usually fawn.

 

I believe that the dogue de Bordeaux influence "encouraged" some of the darker brindles.

 

It's pure speculation on my part and I could be dead wrong!

 

 


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I am usually a lurker...but just can't help myself with this thread.  Brindles are my passion...as I am currently surrounded by 7 Brindles spanning 4 generations. 

 

2 years ago a number of us, locally, were having a class (for lack of a better word) on the standard.  However, there was also a lot of discussion involved as far as interpretation.  The 'instructor' was not acting as an 'expert' on the subject...it was simply part of our handling class and meant to get everyone more familiar with the standard and how it applied to our individual dogs, honestly.

 

One of the areas that was discussed at length was the color brindle and what each person thought "completely covered" meant.  Now, these were all Mastiff people with various amounts of time in the breed and only a couple were owners of Brindles (either past or present).  The answers ran the gamut from being slightly more dark than the background color to the distribution of the stripes being 'even'.  Examples being given of dogs that were known to be striped on one side much more than the other, large 'patches' of a color, etc. 

 

My point is simply that...our standard leaves a lot to interpretation...in more than just color.  We all feel that we are correct in OUR interpretation.  My personal opinion (and opinion is just that) is that it is a combination of the two descriptions...evenly striped as well as slightly more dark than light.  However, I will respect each and every person's right to their opinion on what they feel is correct.  While the 'light' or 'reverse' or what ever you want to call the color is not my favorite of the brindle coloring...I have seen some dogs that were quite striking.  Just like I don't think that the very very black ones are correct...but again...they can be very striking!  You can't beat the shine on a very black brindle!  Show that dog outdoors...wow!  But, bottom line...the color should be the absolute least of the concerns behind health, temperament and structure.

 

As far as the inheritance of the brindle coloring...I can give you the following examples:

Apricot Brindle (evenly marked) X Fawn = 7 puppies = 2 evenly marked Apricot Brindles

Apricot Brindle X Apricot Brindle (same bitch as above) (sire is out of an Apricot Brindle X Fawn Brindle) = 5 puppies = 1 'Black' Brindle, 2 evenly marked Fawn Brindles & 2 evenly marked Apricot Brindles

'Black' Brindle (bitch from above) X Apricot = 10 Brindles = 1 'reverse' Fawn Brindle, 3 evenly marked Apricot Brindles & 6 evenly marked Fawn Brindles

Apricot Brindle (bitch from same litter as 'Black' Brindle) X Fawn = 14 puppies = 2 evenly marked Apricot Brindles, 1 evenly marked Fawn Brindle, 1 'Black' Brindle & 1 evenly marked but on the light side Fawn Brindle (maybe 40X60)

Fawn Brindle (daughter of 'Black' Brindle) X Fawn = 9 puppies = 3 evenly marked Fawn Brindles with 1 of them being a bit on the lighter side (maybe 50X50)

 

Ok, now that I have probably totally confused everyone...my point is simply that I think it is pretty much a crap shoot.  LOL 

 

I have included a couple of examples of our Brindles...at various ages.  The first being our 10yr old girl who is the beginning of the Brindle Madness.

(Please excuse the quality of some of these pics...I am in the process of 'cleaning' up our computer and could not find the better quality pics.)

 

Next is her 'Black' Brindle daughter at 4yrs (this is the worst quality photo - sorry.)

 

Her apricot brindle son at just under 2yrs:

 

Fawn Brindle litter mate to the above dog pictured at 1yr:

 

And Fawn Brindle son of the Fawn Brindle bitch pictured at 5wks:

 

The boy pictured above as 'evened' out a bit in his stripes.  He is currently 4mo old and unfortunately...I don't have a good side shot showing his pattern.  He is now very evenly striped.  And about 60X40.

 

So...there ya go...for what it's worth...


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