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Anyone want to critique this guy?

I don't believe that his owner will protest!


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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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halloween mask ancient mummy WANNA BET?


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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- I don't know about the dog, but the guy could use some Visine!

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Hi Jann,

To add to what others have said my eye tells me that Vegas could use more length of body, she looks square to me as apposed to rectangular.
ACK: Proportion--Rectangular, the length of the dog from forechest to rump is somewhat longer than the height at the withers.
UK:Body massive, broad, deep, long, powerfully built....


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Olga, Good feet nice look, would like her a bit longer and with more substance.


I agree about a bit longer but she is also not cobby/square - I think for her age she has substance - to me she looks like she has allot of growing yet and think she looks to have good bone...I can "see" her potential size.

One thing that bothers me is her ear set - those could be higher. But it could also be the picture and her mood.
ACK Ear:....set widely apart at the highest points on the sides of the skull continuing the outline across the summit.....
UK Ears:............set on at highest points of sides of skull..............

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Hey Angie, this is Inna now, 21 month old.

Regards, Olga


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Just goes to prove that a mastiff bitch does not have to be small headed, small bodied, dainty and compensated for by a stud who possesses the offsetting lack of quality.

 

Foundation dogs must be super!

 

Otherwise, you waste many generations and years playing catch up!

 

If the bitch you bought for breeding purposes doesn't turn out to your liking,.......DON'T breed her! Save yourself the effort!

 

Don't rationalize and justify the breeding because the pedigree looks good!

 

Life is too short!

 

The truly great, or great to be breeders, are the ones who recognize that it's the quality of their dogs which creates their reputation, not the other way about!

 

In other words, I liked your bitch Olga!...LOL


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Olga, Inna is magnificient!!! Wow!
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Olga, she's magnificent. Thank you for sharing her with us. You and your dogs give me great  inspiration. And I'm glad to see the north west is giving the dogs lots of snow to play with.
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Hello,
We are the owners of a currently 13 month old Mastiff.  We have recently started to show him, curious as to how he would do.  This came about from the suggestion of our obedience trainer.  He has been in 2 shows so far and took best of breed in both..  We are very proud of him! I would greatly appreciate feedback from all the mastiff experts on this sight for as stated above we are new to the mastiff world and new to the dog show circuit as well.  We have children and they have enjoyed being involved with the process and Pilgrim seems to love all the attention!!!  In the picture shown he is 12 months 201 lbs and 35" at shoulder.  Thank you everyone!


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Pilgrim is a very nice looking younster!  Great size, great pigment, great structure, and looks like he has a typey head.  He looks very together for being so young.  I prefer to see a tad more angle front and rear, but this often comes with age, AND his front and rear angles match, which is of great importance!  Congratulations on his best of breed wins.  Looks like you've got a winner !  What is his pedigree?

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Very nice specimen for a young dog.

 In time his chest should drop and that will correct the daylight under him, which shows in this photo. Balance will improve as well.

His length of leg gives the impression that he is squared a bit, but in body he is "postcard" shaped and he needs to mature in order be at full bloom.

He still seems to be growing, as his growth plates on his front legs are still showing signs of immaturity and his rear legs could use a tad more angulation, but one photo doesn't make for an insightful globalized evaluation.

Head appears to be well shaped and he is a big boy that needs more time to continue to improve!



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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Thanks for your reply we appreciate it.  Madigan's Pilgrim of Plymouth is out of Madigan's Sweet William and Madigan's Buffy Vamp. 


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Pilgrim's second show picture arrived today... I like this photo better than his first show, his facial expression is more alert.  He is a month older in this photo here.  13 months 209 lbs. 35".   I was wondering about your opinion on his development at this stage.  Thank you



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If you look at the early pictures of Wycliff it reminds me of your boy. Your boy has better angulation than Wycliff had at this stage and his chest should drop as he matures. Forechest may become more noticable as well in time.

Keep those pictures coming!

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Steve,
My dogs pedigree traces back to some of the wycliff line ... we just learned this with your response and were trying to obtain an old picture to see what you were commenting on but could not find one.  Do you know where we can see one? Pilgrims pedigree traces back to Iron Hills Warwagon and deer run which I get from reading they tightly bred the wycliff line?  Thanks for the info it is very interesting to research it!

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A young Wycliff


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Thanks for the picture I can see the resemblence in body shape. All I know as the mommy I am the one person not in the pictures pacing like an expectant Dad in the background during shows! It has been fun and educational for me and the family.  We appreciate your feedback. 


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Steve and others:
Thank you for your previous responses and the picture of Wycliff.  Being new to Mastiff's and having a great site to get feedback is wonderful. 
I think that Pilgrim looks like his daddy... Madigan's Sweet William http://www.madiganmastiffs.com/willie.htm   but my husband disagrees..  what do you think? 
He had his first major show today and took best of winners for his major 3pts....!  We will post a pic when we receive it!  In the mean time, I have to go give him slobber kisses from his proud mommy!


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Okay - I'll pop all three of the fur kids here on this thread. I've learned a bit since this started, feel I know their strengths and weaknesses and it would be great to get some different opinions.

Here is Dreamer at 8.5 months in Oregon


Dreamer 9.5 months in Gridley WB - first major


Dreamer 10 months Santa Cruz WB/BOW/BOS a shot of her stacked in the line up - official pic has not come yet.  I know the pic is small but wanted you to be able to see the chest and angles - even if far away. 



Here is George in Gridley Best Puppy at 9.5 months



Here is Monty 16.5 or 17 months WD/BOW Hangtown


And a line up shot of Monty at the Santa Cruz show almost 18 months - not stacked, getting his mouth wiped waiting for the once over - again a side shot. no win this trip.


Have at them :-)



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Monica:  Going by the pictures, Deamer is nice but George is the one that seems to stand out.  He appears to have a nice topline and overall ballance.  I like his muscle tone.  He has a great head.   I  bet he has great movement?



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George has outstanding movement!!  The judge that gave him WD in Santa Cruz was really impressed with him.  I'd like to see a deeper chest on George and a bit shorter muzzle.  His head is really widening and coming on strong so it will most likely balance out the muzzle length (maybe not to standard but to the eye...).  I would also like to see just a bit more height on him, which should come - then we wait for the fill out.  His top line and back length IMO is great.  His bone and structure are very well balanced and nice - now we wait as he grows....

Dreamer is pretty much what you see is what you get.  She will do more maturing and lose that puppy look and balance out, but I do think the girls present their total look earlier than the boys do.  I'd like to see a wider muzzle.  Of course, we know she needs more pigment in her facial/ear zone.  I do believe her topline will level very nicely as she matures.  She is actually taller than George at this point.  Her back is not quite as long yet her bone and type similar if not a bit larger at this point (that could be due to females filling out sooner).  She has a deeper chest on her and I wish George had a bit more of that.  Her drive and reach is not quite as smooth as Georges. 

Monty, love my boy!!  Love his head and  pigment although pictures never really do his head/expression justice.  I'd like to see a much better thigh and second thigh on him (which his full brother Carson has), and a thicker rear.  I like the depth of his chest but he could use more bone and type.  I have put some weight on him since those pics and that is helping.  I'd also like to see a bit more angle in the rear.  And there is the topline (steep croup) going on.  He moves beautifully tho and the topline levels very nicely when he is moving.  




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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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