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Giselle where is a pic of Cids head you know I think it's GORGEOUS!!!!

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OUCH!  PAINFULLY BIG HEAD!....LOVE IT!


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and your point or at least opener for discussion so that people feel free to comment or do you just want us to hold the visual?


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LOL

 

You're reading too much into it!

 

I have no clue as to who it is, just thought it worthy and posted it!

 

Found it while perusing the net, he was for sale!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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I'm allowed to read into things - I am an understudy  - haven't you seen Grey's Anatomy yet - you should watch, just once - Thurs. 9:00 PST - the interns are constantly sniffing around for up to the minute information to better themselves - then there's the other 3/4 of the show where they are all sniffing around like dogs - litterally!!  As a learner - I don't just look - I have an opinion but I keep it to myself  ... learned that the hard way.  Wondered if you were going to open discussion - guess not - he looks like a big ole grizzly bear but he needs a bit more pigment!

 

 


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And why are they selling that sweet, sweet face?  How old is he - he looks like a beautiful companion....   






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 I am enjoying reading the different threads very much. They are helpful for a newbie like me especially with pictures. So far I am finding head type is one of the main things that attracts me to certain dogs. I prefer a huge head and I like wrinkles, however I am unsure if they are techincally correct.

 I am new to the board and new to the breed and being a little old, I learn slowly LOL but having said that, I think my Bubba has a good head but in the interest of my future puppy I need to see his faults.

 I am strong and good natured so you won't hurt  my feelings even if you say  he is butt-ugly LOL since I adore him no matter what, but I really do need to know his faults so that I can avoid them in the future.

 Anyhow here is my baby's head

                   Missy

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From the Baxter interview:

 

http://www.typeymastiffs.com/education/index.shtml

 

"In America, the thing I notice more is a lack of correct head type. I am not trying to be rude, but alot of them seem very houndy or overdone with excessive wrinkle. I know the American standard calls for wrinkle, when in England it only says wrinkle when alert, and this is a world of difference. So we often find that the very heavy, over wrinkled heads in America are not to our liking. The last time I was in America, I think I saw better heads on a whole that I have seen here today. I have seen some lovely heads here, some excellent heads, but generally, I think they were better 8 years ago."


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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I wanted to add my baby's head pic in too.

 


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I feel this is a good brindle head for a year old dog.



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Lisa that is a FANTASTIC head for a one yr old!!!   Love it
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Oh Lisa, that is a nice head on your baby!!

Hey, I just scrolled up a bit and noticed all those weired icons in my last post.... my computer got infected with some weird stuff right about the time I made that post and its taken me about this long to get it all figured out and cleaned up..... point is - I have no idea how that stuff got into that post......... hmmmm!


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Thanks Karen and Monica...here is a pic of one of the above boys grand-son and grand-daughter....I loveboth their heads also.



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Nice heads!

Now that's what some of the English breeder's like to see in a bitches head!

 

No reason for small headed females! We've just accepted it as OK! 


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Steve,

   For once I have to agree with you!!!  It really irks me when I hear a breeder say that even though a bitch has a bad head its OK because she is a bitch.  To me a bitch head should be the same as a males but in proportion to her body.  Bad bitch heads are really one of the things that really turn me off.


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I advise everyone to study this head! Once these heads are lost it will be impossible to recover them again! The snipey muzzles and the shoebox heads are all too popular and because great heads are not seen often enough most newbies and breeders alike lose sight of what they should be breeding towards.....................

 

Black Peter was a mastiff from Holland c1899

 

Note* depth of lower jaw, eye size and set, ear placement, wrinkle, breadth of skull, truncated muzzle, broad muzzle from stop to finish, muzzle to head circumference ratio,  expression, angle of stop, moderate dewlap and flews etc.

 

 

 


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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This is a picture of my boy Jack. He's 3 years old.




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omg i am drooling!! anyone have a rag!! is that toby? in the gatehouse shot? i LOVE him!! that is my ideal mastiff boy!! man is he awesome in that shot!! big and muscular looking big thick neck and great chest too!! my husband's jealous!!


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 Well this is the first I have looked at this thread.. So I haven't read it all but I do know now why Betty Baxter loved Gargoyle soo.. Here he is when Betty judged him with 110 others at bucks. What a day. This one one of my most special days..


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gar is such a great boy thanks for sharing patty!1 love that boy!!


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I enjoyed all the pictures!! They are nice!

 

On my side, I think that, for a 11mo old female, Lily has a very promising head.

 

She is a Gargoyle's Grand-Grand-Daughter

 





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Patty,

It was a great day for us too, despite all the rain. Betty finished our Pasha there giving her Winners Bitch and Best of Winners, I believe the Filu's Cheyenne was Best of Opposites, and Lamar was Winners Dog... Very nice dogs at that show.



in all honesty, I was not a huge fan of Pasha's head. It leaned a little to much toward the bull mastiff... Here's a pic of her at 10yrs that shows her head better:



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Jess I love Posha. I begged your mom to let me use Gargoyles semon on her ... I still wish I could have.. I believe they would have made some GREAT ones.. She is the type that he made the great ones with.. Does she have any daughters still young enough to breed?

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Jess I love Posha. I begged your mom to let me use Gargoyles semon on her ... I still wish I could have.. I believe they would have made some GREAT ones.. She is the type that he made the great ones with.. Does she have any daughters still young enough to breed?

Patty, her youngest daughter (Max, owned by Sarah Elkin) turned 6 in October:


Our Pasha daughters are retired (Pippa and Greta)




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Now I dare someone to tell me that bitches can't have nice heads!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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