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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportunate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore

 

 

 

This was one of the MOST important aspects of this breed and the standards are mixed on what is "correct"!

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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I would feel better if judging would go back to the number system.  Can someone post the number break down?  It seems the head was worth 10 pts?

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The muzzle was worth "12" I believe!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Can you explain the number system????  Thank you.


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The scale of points was a system the AKC had to give an assessment on what characteristics were important to each breed and the importance of the characteristics for each breed.  I don't have time to locate the scale of points I use to supply in my puppy packets, but here is the scale of points listed in Marie Moores Book "The Mastiff"

 

General Character and symmetry                            10

Height and Substance                                             10

Skull                                                                     10

Face and Muzzle                                                     12

Ears                                                                        5

Eyes                                                                       5

Chest and ribs                                                        10

Forelegs and feet                                                    10

Back, loins and flanks                                             10

Hind legs and feet                                                  10

Tail                                                                         3

Coat and color                                                         5

                                                                           _____

                                                                            100

 

The Mastiff has always been considered a "head breed" as you can see that 32 points out of the 100 total went to the features of the head. The scale of points was elimanated in 1995 (I think?).

 

 


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I'm with you, Tami.  I liked the old system better too.  At least then exhibitors have an idea of exactly what areas the judge liked or faulted their dogs in.  It seems a bit more fair too.

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When they used the point system would you actually get a sheet of paper with points next to each "part?"

I think the head is important and needs to balanced with the body, but.... there is much, much more to a dog and I would not give the head the most points although I would rank it closely with other important attributes.


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Taken from http://www.mastiffassociation.com/Info/interpretedstandard.htm

 

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The Mastiff is an extremely 'head conscious' breed, and the description of the head forms the largest part of both the British and the American Standard. It is, however, quite difficult to visualise if one is not familiar with the breed.
It is the head which really makes the mastiff; it must be big, broad and flat across the skull, with the ears set on at the highest point so that the line across the ears and the skull is continuous. The stop between the eyes must be pronounced, not shallow, and the muzzle itself must be very broad and very deep - these two proportions should be almost the same. So many Mastiffs have muzzles which narrow and appear to taper, or which are not filled out under the eyes, giving a weak appearance. It should, as the British Standard says, be blunt, cut of squarely. The length of the muzzle to the whole head should be as 1 to 3.

 

After reading the above, which I have seen and read before, but with more thought this time, I can see why the point system for the head might work the way it does - there's a lot more that goes into a head vs. a tail, or foot - not that they aren't all important, but I can see how the points might add up.

 

 


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I was going thru some old pictures and found this one and thought I would post it on this thread.

 

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That is one gorgeous head.  Who is that? (Nice background too)

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Excellent shot - love the expression!!
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That is Porkchop.  That was taken several months before he was 2 yrs old.

 

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The memory isn't what is use to be, I knew there was a 10 in there somewhere.
Thanks for posting, Tamara!




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That's a good one..........
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LOL that was too funny Tami! 

 

I have to admit that I'm a "head-hunter".  It's the first thing I check out and then I move my way back and down..lol. 


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Thought I would share of picture of my girl Vegas - I love looking at beautiful head shots, so please keep 'em coming.


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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A Skamania bred boy Tonka:


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Miss Vegas is a VERY pretty girl... with a lovely head.


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Most of you may of seen this one before, but I love it.  Mother and son right after winning best brace.

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Tonka..... all I can say is WOW!!


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Vegas is so pretty!  I still love her personality the best!

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Thanks Tami!  That Tonka is something else - what a great looking guy.  Steve, who's that cute little boy in the picture?

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My 32 year old son Todd!

He looks small for his age!....LOL 


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Wow, some very pretty heads.

 

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