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What is responsible for the high rears which we see so often?

Some feel it's straight stifles, others believe it is just a "bad" topline, or short legs up front creating an "imbalance".

Certainly we see dogs which are level and have been bred to exhibit level tops, which we all find desirable and aesthetically pleasing!

So where did all of those higher rears come from?

 IN my opinion, this guy is the "culprit"!

Through the bulldog and into the bullmastiff and then back into the mastiff, due to the crosses with the bullmastiff!

From the bulldog standard: "There should be a slight fall in the back, close behind the shoulders (its lowest part), whence the spine should rise to the loins (the top of which should be higher than the top of the shoulders)."

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See the resemblance?

 


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One of our guys has straight stifles, which creates him to be high, and one of my girls has shorter front legs, which creates the high rear. The picture above reminds me of  her - put another inch in the front and it would help alot. It's a combination for me.

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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http://rover.vetmed.lsu.edu/student/2010/files/PelvicLimb.pdf


The angle of the pelvis and croup, coupled to femur & tibia length can raise the rear end and ruin a level topline.

The lumbar vertebrae are then lifted higher towards the rear and creates that sliding pond effect from rear to front.

This has been a major issue in mastiffs for many years and some of our "top" specimens not only exhibit this structure, but pass it on in varying degrees of intensity.

The mastiff is a front loaded breed and much of the dog is housed in the first half of the body. This "feature" also intensifies the effect by dropping the front thoracic portion of the axial skeleton and thereby intensifying the slope towards the front.

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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Would you breed to a high rear if it had a fantastic head?

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The high rear places extra weight on the front half of the dog.

In Mastiffs, the front is already "loaded" and the extra weight, over time, can cause bent wrists, splayed feet and back problems.

Monica, that question is always asked about every part of the Mastiff which is in need of improvement!

A level topline and a strong rear is the goal to work towards!

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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In the conference room right now LMAO!!!!! So is the head and its a work of art many times even if you start with the the exact specimen and by all means if you do start with the exact specimen the offspring rarely ends up a clone of the parents. So, give a little, take a little, measure this, measure that.........................


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