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A bit of trivia...

"In 1984 the Best of Breed at Crufts was presented with the Sidney Turner cup by the Kennel Club, donated by Mrs Turner for mastiffs in 1920. Since the war, for some reason, this trophy had been presented to Chihuahuas."


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From a 30 year old Xmas card sent to me from Mike Gensberger.....

 

Note* Dame sybil was one of my dog's dam's and dam to MCOA Spec. winner Resounder, Dinah-might was a half sister to two of my dogs and an aunt to a third. Littles Atlas was the sire to one of my dogs as well.

 

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Letter number 1646:

From W. D. Fox   8 March [1856]

Delamere | Northwich

March 8

My dear Darwin

I have anxiously inspected My Dorking & Cochin friends Yards for an old Cock of Each, & written to Captain Hornby —but I fear you have not received any yet. There must be some die before long I think.

Have you a Sebright Bantam yet? If not I have an old Gentleman I will send you shortly. You should have an old White Dorking also, as they are quite distinct from the other in form.

I forget whether I ever told you that I had long considered the Scotch Deer Hound a mongrel, par Excellence. Dont tell any Scotch so, or I shall be murdered. It has long been a pet idea of mine, & I have often said I could breed them without any Deer Hound blood in them. I have also always thought the Irish Deer or Wolf Dog, was merely a cross with the Scotch & a Mastiff.

Some months ago in a conversation on this head with a M r Lister near here, he told me to my great delight that he had a Bitch 1 / 2 Deer Hound & 1 / 2 Mastiff. On looking at her it is wonderful how little the 1 / 2 Mastiff is recognisable in her. On minutely examining however, you find her mastiff Blood in neck & shoulder. I much wished this Bitch crossed back with Deer Hound. This has been done, & the result, as shown in a splendid Bitch puppy, is to completely restore the Scotch Deer Hound. I dined there last week, & met a stranger who was enthusiastic about Scotch Dogs—of which by the way he gave a pretty story as having happened to himself. Walking one day in Regent S t . he felt something cold in his hand, & on looking, found a Scotch Dogs nose there, who had been with him Deer stalking &c 2 years before in the Highlands, & was then walking in London with his Master.

Lister, rather spitefully introduced me to this Captain Warren —as being one who believed in the Scotch Dogs being mongrels. Of course I maintained my ground, when, to my intense amusement he (after warning me not to go to Scotland & especially Badenoch, with such views) quoted the puppy as an Example of pure blood, as might be seen by any one, & which he said was well worth 40£. He was so enthusiastic that I was obliged to break the fact by degrees, “that her Grandfather was a Mastiff.”

I am trying now to get the 1 / 2 breed Scotch & Mastiff Bitch put to a pure Mastiff—& I expect either the produce of that—or the next cross at all events, to be the Irish Wolf Dog.

I would defy any Scot to detect the false blood in this puppy Bitch— She is quite a perfect Scotch Deer Hound.

I see Tegetmeyer—or some such name, who doctors all the Fowls in England—says he is engaged with you in examining the anatomy of Fowls. He seems to know a great deal about them from his letters in Cottage Gardener—but I often think his prescriptions rather foolish. You are not meddling with Geese I think yet, are you.

Tell me how M rs Darwin & your little ones all are—also Susan Catherine & M rs Wedgwood & Believe me always Yours affec ly W D. Fox.


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It would seem that the "mastiff" was not as large an animal as some might assume back then.

 

http://www.irishwolfhounds.org/history.htm

 

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"However, I was informed otherwise; the gentleman who bred them assuring me that a Mastiff would be nothing when opposed to one of them, who generally seized their antagonist by the back.”

 

"Their aspect is mild, their disposition peaceable, their strength is so great that in combat the Mastiff or Bulldog is far from being equal to them."

 

"In 1859 the “Gazetteer of the World” says: “The Irish Greyhound is now seldom met with, its appearance is beautiful and majestic, its height about three feet, its courage and strength so great that the Mastiff or bulldog is far from equal to it.


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BUMPED AND MOVED:

 

Three bee's head and Ed Gerace.............

 

In the late 60's Ed went to England and fell in love with Three Bee's Friar of Copenore. To Ed, he was the "epitomy of mastiffdom".  Ed built his kennel around this dog's pedigree and to this poster's view, it was Ed's fatal error!

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I feel that Three Bee's passed down the "down-faced' trait so often seen in mastiffs. He was a well known mastiff in England and appeared too often in pedigrees here and abroad. In addition, he passed down that "jack rabbit" angulation as evidenced in Tiberius.

 

Ed never produced anything consistent. His "Trilby" was out of my Taurus's litter and from a rather large litter, she was the only dog of merit and she looked entirely different than the rest of the clan.

 

Ed loved "Boswell" ( see head study above ) and used him much to much without any success. In later years Ed finally admited that he made a mistake, but just loved Boswell to death!


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What is a fault?

 

Perhaps other than genetic maladies, we label most things "faults" which, in reality, are just different modes of expression.

 

In humans, even the gene for sickle cell anemia has secondary beneficial affects, such as enabling the carrier to resist malaria etc.

 

We are used to knee-jerking every "fault", as though it were a given, that it is a malformation not to be desired by breeders at any cost.

 

Breeders are "shape shifters" no more, no less!

 

The "good" breeders are those who have been able to shape shift their dogs in ways which meet the standard best. It helps to have dogs which are agreeable to that effort, for some dogs resist standardized shapes at any cost!

 

Personally, I don't look at "faults" in a negative light. True, I feel that they can be a breeder's nightmare at times, but they are only the expression of genes and are not "bad" in realistic terms. ( structural faults excluded e.g. sway-backs etc.)

 

Most "faults" are cosmetic in nature, or affect balance and symmetry, but they are not true "faults" in a Darwinian sense.

 

The "survival of the fittest" does not mean the strongest, it means the type which "fits" best into a given structure, or environment. It's more like a puzzle piece, rather than a baseball player on steroids!

 

Our mastiffs have "faults", most "faults" are shape shifting issues and can be adjusted and made to "fit" in time!

 

We just need to first see clearly and then proceed with the best process that can achieve our goals.

 

Molding shapes as though we were sculptors using clay, is the task at hand. But in this instance, the clays are genes and the pedigrees are the blueprints from which we design the clays.

 

Skilled craftsmen and artistry are needed as the final element, for without a talented hand behind the pedigrees and clay, little greatness can evolve and flourish over the course of time.

 

Alternative forms ( faults ) are not to be feared, or made to feel shameful about by other breeders. They are tools to be used when changing shapes and should be welcomed when they appear at certain times. They can be used as a guide, in steering one's breeding program through difficult passages, during one's search for excellence. 

 

Form and artistry of shape, conforming to an ideal ( the standard ), is the ultimate goal and a worthy one at that!

 

How many are truly up for this task?


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Hey

Steve in the pic in the british  show who is the middle boy?

 

 

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I don't know, but I'd buy him today!


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yes he is very nice!!!

 

 

 http://webpages.charter.net/mmnesary/history.htm

 

 

 

This rases and interesting question! Do not freek out it does have to do with mastiffs but it got me thinking. The italian word for mastiff is what we call a great Dane! Did the Danes play a bigger part in are breed than we admit? In that time peroid i must ask what would have been the diffrences of the dane to the mastiff? ( i know the diffrences of today) LOL. They also talk about the english mastiff being bred to the tibitan mastiff!! OK teacher it is your turn!

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 The Mastiff with drawings dating as far back as 650 BC.  

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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