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Jann,
Thanks for the info. I am going to have o try one of those soon and see how it goes. I am in the mode of trying to do things as natural as possible. While having mostly good luck with the SI's, it still is putting the female under to do one and I am trying to avoid that as much as possible. Last year my female Charo [Lazy D Porkchop & Sinner girl] had an SI. She reabsorbed the litter and had a hard time. I talked with my repro vet and he said that he thinks some females do not respond well to SI's. I think that this is the case with Charo. Her 1st litter, just over 3 years ago, was a natural breeding. She had 13 pups with 10 surviving. 2 years ago I did an SI and she had 2 pups and one survived. Then last year she reabsorbed. I now have a litter of pups from her, 3 weeks old, that were from a natural breeding. She had 4 beautiful boys and I am very happy! I really wanted a girl though and this is her last litter. I am going to have to keep the little fawn boy in it.

Anyway, after the talk with my repro vet, I thought alot about it and now feel that I will try natural breedings as much as possible. If doing a frsh chilled or frozen, I will do an SI as the AI has been horrible for me for getting a litter. Now I have the new thing to look into and might try it instead of an SI if I cant get a live tie.  
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  With My girl Gabby, we did a SI from shipped , and it went over great with the Progesterone we nailed the timing and had 10 pups,
 The procedure was fast and she recovered beautifully.
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Hi Duane,
I totally agree about the natural breedings.  We've never missed with one.  The main problem for breeders is we're limited to using our own studs or dogs close by that are natural breeders - some just can't get the job done.  We have one guy that is so large (245 lbs.) that I'd be afraid to try.  I think there's a thread on this board somewhere about estrogen levels and reabsorption.  I've never had this happen, but if I remember correctly, you can do tests throughout the pregnancy to make sure her levels stay up.  If not, they have meds for that.  That might be a good thread to start if you're interested in learning more about it.  I don't think the previous thread was based on that topic - the subject just worked it's way in somehow.


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Jann,
The estrogen levels is a good point and something that can be checked but I also wonder, as my repro vet pointed out, is if some females dont respond well to the pregnancy after having an SI. It makes alot of sense to me that it just might be hard for some females. I also agree that there are times that one needs to do an SI, I will do them when having the seemen shipped in. Having large males can be a huge problem as well...lol. My Cain X Charo breeding was harder on me than I think it was on them. Cain is 250 so I felt that breeding for days! Sore back, arms & legs I had. Breeding Mastiffs is alot more challenging than in just matching the right pair. If its not helping them then its paying the extra for the SI. But I still enjoy breeding Mastiffs!
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I see what you're saying Duane.  My doctors tell me that pain control is very important and the meds won't hurt the mom or puppies.  Pain can cause a lot of stress (I found that out when I broke my wrist), and I do believe it's easier for the body to heal with pain control.  I usually keep them on vicadin for about 5 days.

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Ok, Hi everyone; I 've read a few posts that are making me feel better but am going to put this out there and see if there are any OTHERS who can chime in and make me feel even BETTER ?? LOL!!!!!!!!

I am doing progs. on Patience in anticipation ( no pun intended)of breeding her this time using frozen.
She has only been spotting for 9 days now, and we have done four progesterones already. We started them early ( day 1) just for the hell of it I suppose, because they're cheap enough and we're both novices.
The third day,  she was 70 percent cornified.
The first three levels were less than 0.2.
Today ( day 9, as I say) she was at 0.3. ( more than 100 percent rise over the last one).

I have been contacted by her repro vet ( a tech actually) and notified that she now needs to be seen for another smear on Thurs, and no further prog. levels need to be sent out until then.

I'm alarmed! LOL

I'm sending them out anyway, because I work for a vet, and it's cheap enough and I'd rather have more info than not enough. I'd also hate to miss a big rise!

I have kept journals on her past two heats and can say that she has bled on the average of 20 days each time and that Owen became interested on day 11 each time.

This time, of course, no Owen to help. 


So....any of you think I have nothing to worry about?? Please? LOL

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MC,

Here was Cider's levels:

Day 6 0.4
Day 9 0.7
Day 11 0.8
Day 13 1.6
Day 14 2.7
Day 16 5.1
Day 18 12.1

We bred on Day 19 with frozen semen that was of poor quality and ended up with 3 live puppies (and one was born dead). I got slightly worried but my vet wasn't at all -- she told me some dogs just take awhile to start rising.  She said she was just on the flat part of the curve and some dogs stay there for a long time  She also told me taht she has dogs that were early ovulators one heat and were late ovulators the next -- so I wouldn't worry!



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MC,

Callisto was bred 5 Feb., so I can't tell you the results of the breeding yet, but here were her levels

Day 7 - 0.8
Day 10 - 2.2
Day 12 - 11
Day 13 - 100% cornified - Bred that afternoon.

As you can see, with her, once she started to rise, her prog. levels rose very quickly.  My boys were telling me the same thing at home as the test results were!

GOOD LUCK with Patience.

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Thanks you guys for the info...it was helpful for sure!

Patience was at 0.6 a few days ago and am sending out another today; she is 100 percent cornified so it should go up fas tnow! Her repro vet says she's doing fine and I shouldn't worrry that she is a slow poke. 

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