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How old was Big E when he was eating 10 lbs/day?



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Thanks for posting that link Angie.

Karen, I just started Monty on the raw.  Not doing the pups at this time.

Bought a 7.0 cu ft. freezer and packed it full of chicken, organ meets, meaty beef bones, pork necks and hamburger.  I have chosen to feed raw meaty bones (chicken mostly) all days per week except for one where it will just be hamburger and organ meets.

Monty is taking a bit getting used to the bone/chicken together.  I actually had to play fetch on the deck this morning with a drumstick - WHATEVER~!!  This is the most finicky boy ever.  Dreamer hasn't a clue what's going on because I am now feeding Monty from she and George but George - he's gotten a few whiffs and is well aware that something is different at meal time. uh oh!

Last night was hamburger and organ time.  Monty was thrilled with the organs but could not be bothered with the hamburger.  So, I found myself hand feeding a chunk of hamburger with an organ on top of it.  Yes, this is truly pathetic but all I could do was laugh at the moment! 

I will NOT be hand feeding the raw food to this guy for much longer... - its gourmet as far as I'm concerned.  However, I will "help" him thru the initiation stage since he doesn't seem to know what to do with some of the meat.  The chicken this morning was pretty hysterical.

I am noticing that he takes the meat tho and runs to his bed to eat it.... so I think he's getting the idea - its a more natural, carnivorous type of behavior.  I have him on the deck for feeding so I can hose regularly.

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Fish are really good too and they are whole I usually get a bag of frozen fish under 6" - sardines etc - about a lb and 1/2 per bag and feed that once a week.
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Okay, I joined the group just now.  Monty smells like BONES!!  He is getting the hang of eating the chicken with bone in and actually prefers it.  On the just meat day he is picky - can you believe it!!  He likes the chewing.  I have noticed a few boney things in his poop - normal?




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yep normal.....I got creative tonight and stuffed two chicken backs with minced meat - fit really nice packed into the chest cavity.
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Well, I joined a yahoo group re: raw feeding - those people can chat!!  Lots of good info.  A lot advocate for a higher ratio of meat.  I think I will try a bit more meat to bone ratio.  Also not an "organ day" as it could become "squirt day" if you know what I mean, but to spread the organs out and see  how they do. 

I like the group.  Interesting information for all sorts of breeds. 


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I recently added more of a meat to bone ratio and my puppy really seemed to even out. Im also thinking of losing the vegetables. Stick to more of a prey model diet as opposed to the barf diet. Has anyone any advice about eliminating vegetables from the diet. Billinghursts first book says veggies are imperative. But the more ive been reading the more I see people having better results without the veggies

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Monica,
Please be certain that the folks you get advice from are giant breed feeders.  You have to be very careful with a high meat ratio in growing Mastiff puppies, or you can end up with growth problems or worse (ie. twisted leg bones, etc).  Don't go hogwild w/ the meat (no pun intended!).  LOL
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Thanks Kristen.  I was curious about that - that's why I wrote you.  The chicken is what is most popular - yes George managed to work his way into the raw format.....

Lots of leg quarters.  They are still not thrilled with the organs.  Chicken organs go over better than beef.  They really like chewing the bone and I do stay with them while they eat - the eat faster now thatn when they had a bowl of kibble.  Dreamer still doesn't have a clue and I am going to keep it that way - she's an easy keeper so she can afford to miss a meal if she potests - not George or Monty!

Monty has put on a bit of weight, which was needed and I am happy about that. 


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Monica,

I have been giving duke about 4 oz organ at every meal, and it seems to be working nicely and no squirt days.

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Thanks Clinton.

So far so good around here.  Dreamer caught on last night and totally refused her kibble... its a done deal and they are all raw - we'll see how it goes.  If I can stick to the chicken and organs with some pork necks mixed in - its pretty easy!

I fortunately have a trex deck (easy to hose off) right off my kitchen so it makes the raw feeding pretty easy. 




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Hey Clinton - the organs at every meal is going much better and I think its better for their digestion actually.

Beef heart and liver seem to be the favorite with the boys right now. Dreamer has actually thinned a bit, which she needed to do.

George and Monty are looking good. However, I really started this entire thing due to how picky Monty is and wanting a more enticing food to help him put and keep some weight on. He could use a good ten pounds right now.

He has a stopping point with the raw. What do you think about giving him some extra meat chunks along with his raw meaty chicken parts (he's 15.5  months) to help him with some weight gain since he has a shallow bottom to his pit?  I know doing this with the pups is out of the question but what about with Monty since he's older?


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Monica,

If Monty were mine , I'd try some other different things to put weight on him - try giving him some ricotta cheese or some rolled oats, etc. (fillers)...in his raw meaty bone selection, if you can get chicken backs, get those and leave the fat on for him.  Also, pork tails are great for putting on weight and the dogs love them (high in fat).  I'd basically try to increase his fat intake more than I would the meat ratio.  It can be a challenge to put weight on in tact boys at times...My Louie and Kim's Harry were super picky eaters before they were neutered later in life.  I recall Kim hand feeding Harry at one point.  Louie would pretty much decide how much he'd eat - he had some skinnier times....but I think it's nature's way of deciding what's best.  Dogs will eat when they're hungry.
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LOL on the hand feeding...........oh boy!!!

Those are wise words Kristen and the higher fat makes complete sense. I know he's healthy and I am being a bit vain and its because he's showing... I'm wanting him to have a bit more weight on for showing. His front end is looking really good, but his back end - and I know I cannot cause his butt to be bigger by feeding him, but he could be thicker from ribs to butt..... for show purposes and I just need to let that go right now I guess.

I cannot seem to find pig tails anywhere. I have found the hocks both smoked and raw but no tails. I'll ask the butcher at Food for Less - that seems to be where I can find the different types of cuts. What about straight cheese, like Monterey?

Kristen - what about the thumb nail (like the size of your thumb that the nail sits on and all the way around) sized bone pieces that are still showing up in the poop?

Hey Jann - did Vegas discard her drumsticks?


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Hey Monica,
It's pretty normal to see pieces of bone in their poop.  I've always had this when I've fed raw.  Vegas ate a whole drumstick, huh?  LOL  I remember the first raw meal I fed yrs ago to my puppy girl Claire, and she gulped down a wing.  I was so freaked, but she was fine.  I swear Muffet will gulp down a whole chicken quarter if she thinks there's something exciting going on elsewhere....
With the showing, I understand.  I can remember Kim and I both comparing notes and driving ourselves crazy trying to put weight on our boys at about Monty's age.  We finally gave it up and just let them be.  At 18 months, they both all of a sudden *started* to fill out.  At age 2 yrs, they looked quite Mastiffy.  After that, we didn't worry so much - they ate as much as they needed.  So, I wouldn't worry too much...the weight will come.    Pierre sees some pretty skinny days himself, though he's not at all a picky eater.  He's a bottomless pit, and would eat 10 lbs a day if I'd let him (he eats between 3 and 5 - changes day to day based on how he looks).
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Can someone please tell me how to dry liver for bait?

I know this might not belong under this thread, but I have been cutting liver for days. 2 steer's worth maybe 20 pounds?!? I stink!!! HELP!!! LOL!

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Hey Barrie,
If you start a thread called "Liver bait recipes", you'll probably get a lot of response. I'm not sure how many people check out this thread. Just a suggestion so you can get a lot of info. I wouldn't mind knowing myself.


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Monica-here's the cutted and pasted thing-I think this is what you wanted?

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Monica, don't quote me on this for accuracy, but I read that several bigwigs were dumping stock something like 3 weeks before the recalls started.

What scares me is that these pigs that were quarantied were A) meant for human consumption, and B) were being fed 'junk' feed that came from the Diamond factory which I understand also manufactures Kirkland?

This is so widespread, and apparently moving into human food, I think we are far from the end of this.

I was doing Dr Pitcairn's diet with my guys for a while, and now they are almost completely raw. I am just having a very hard time getting comfortable with the bone issues.

Jann-will do right now, oh my hands STINK!

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We gave Vegas a whole chicken the other day at the show, and she devoured it in about 20 minutes.  She loved it!!  We also gave Rumour one - she didn't eat as much because she's much smaller, but she had a great time guarding it.  It was really funny watching her - we taped it, so I'll try to put some of it on YouTube.  Monica, as far as I know, everything worked out just fine.....

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Jann,
I think whole chickens have the best meat to bone ratio for our giant dogs.  I give mine whole chickens sometimes and they really do enjoy them.  When the pups were smaller, I gave them a cornish hen, and they rolled them around like balls for a while before eating them. 

Barrie & Monica,
I had just heard about the pig thing too.  I swear nothing is safe anymore.  I definately feel unsafe feeding any kind of dog kibble, no matter what the brand.  Every day, more brands are being exposed for having melamine in them, as the FDA investigates.  I also tend to agree with Monica that this was no accident - someone has been making big bucks scamming owners and causing pets to become ill or die.  As time goes on, we hear of more and more brands of dog food that contain poisons, and I wouldn't be surprise if most or all contain some of these ingredients.  And to think of how much money we spend on these "premium" dog foods.  It's just crazy.  I'm spending MUCH less feeding my guys raw, and I feel they're better off.
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Okay guys, here is MY (as opposed to my dogs') issue with the bones . . .

I have read the horror stories, seen the xrays yada, yada, yada, for every point there is a counter point-I am okay with that.

If we are doing the prey model (which I am not completely sold on) which to my understanding is based on what a wolf would eat in the wild. Well, the wolf would at the very least be eating some of the hide (is that the right hide?) as well as hair and other goodies (yuk).

In my opinion all those extras are helping the sharp bones to pass through the system without doing any damage.

Can someone enlighten me please?

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I switched to raw last Thursday. Both Maggie and Angus are in heaven. They seem to be doing very well so far.
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Barrie - you need to move to No. Cal. Closer to me :-) We'd probably get in some fun trouble together ;-)

You make an interesting point because my dogs have been eating a lot of grass (which is abundant on the property right now) since I started them on raw. That tells me that they need it. I wonder if hide and fur provide something similar to the grass. Very interesting.

Okay Barrie, so give, why are you hesitating on the "wolf diet?"

Way to go Lora - keep us posted!

Hey, I think the "organs" are working. I will cut back to every other day for awhile, even tho they are not getting very much each day. George gently flushed this afternoon....


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Hey Monica - I put some video clips together and put them on YouTube from Saturdays raw feeding. Here it is....




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OMG.... can we tell them that we went to Chevy's for lunch --- geez!!

Kristen - that was my mug in the camera asking you what happens when they swallow and entire drumstick .... which is what Vegas did the night before when we gave her one from feeding my kids.....the whole chicken (I think) is much better than a leg or thigh for a "swallower..."  Rumour cracked me up - she was more interested in guarding her chicken than eating it.  She knew it was something special, but just wasn't sure what to do with it. 

And, thank you Jann for catching me hand feeding my dog.......... pathetic ;-)  I am convinced he is not a decendent of the wolf.... and yes, I watched that program last night, but still.....



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