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Here is an easy rawfeeding recipe that has worked well for us...
 

 
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Okay, my turn for stupid questions?
 
I have always been concerned with my dog putting 2+2 together and deciding that my neighbor's calf or chicken looks like a tasty snack once on a raw diet.
 
I don't have that problem now, but it doesn't seem too far fetched that once they have a 'taste' for raw meat they might find a way to get it, and how convenient that it just happens to be on the other side of the fence.
 
So, should this be a concern (any more than it is now)?
 
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Barrie,
I believe that this has more to do with the temperament/personality of the dog than whether or not he/she is raw-fed.  ie. A dog with a high prey drive is much more likely to kill a chicken than a dog w/o one.
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Kristen,
 
that makes a lot of sense, but I have also never put any of these guys in a situation where their prey drive would be tested. They are all okay around OUR cats, but I have never seen what they would do around someone else's cats (or anything else).
 
Tracy,
 
am I missing something in your post about the easy recipe, or is the whole point that you just toss the guys a chicken (or whatever was the butcher's special that day)? Sorry, I am not feeling too well today .
 
Thanks guys, with this latest recall I am really scared for my guys. What's next you know?
 
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Okay, so you learn something new everyday right (okay well hopefully you do ).
 
I took part A) of the plunge and joined a raw group at yahoo, and anyway, I had no idea that bones (such as chicken) only splinter when they are cooked but are okay when raw.
 
What are your thoughts (anyone) on a dog's ability to digest veggies?
 
I am not so sure about cutting my guys off from veggies, they love them!
I have 2 dogs who will have a knock down drag out over leftover salad. We often use baby carrots for training treats, and I have also been using them in my Lab's food to add bulk (he just KNOWS that he is starving to death).
 
What do you experience folks consider required reading?
 
Thanks for all of this great info!
 
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I have a question regarding the carnivore/omnivore part of raw feeding.  My belief was that dogs/wolves were regarded as ominvore.  This was explained to me in that they will eat the stomach contents of their prey.  Their prey usually being a grass/grain eating animal (I'm thinking deer, rabbits, etc).  Has anyone any information of this, too what extent is this true?? 
 
Incidentally, I feed raw at the evening meal, (mainly chicken) but include cooked brown rice, veggies and fruits, yoghurt and flax seed oil. He also gets eggs occasionally, either raw or cooked.  Morning meal will either be bones (brisket, marrow bones, lamb necks, chicken necks etc) or a wet kibble (currently using Nutro).  I don't mix anything with the kibble and alternate the kibble and bones depending on stool formation. 
 
Our first mastiff was fed basically as above but his only meat was ground beef cheek.  When we purchased this, our second mastiff, we thought we'd go the easy (read proper) road and feed kibble.  But he has turned out to have allergies so we have resorted back to raw.  I must say I don't think it is any more trouble, you just have to be a little organised and have plenty of freezer space.
 
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<< that makes a lot of sense, but I have also never put any of these guys in a situation where their prey drive would be tested. They are all okay around OUR cats, but I have never seen what they would do around someone else's cats (or anything else).>>
 
Hi Barrie, I agree with Kristen. I hear sooo often that people wonder if feeding raw meat is going to make their dog "blood thirsty" and turn them into a livestock and child killer. We have chickens. Not one of my dogs would dare touch one of them, unless we have given it to them. One dog in particular has a high prey drive for bunnies (every year we have tons of them). Dragon catches them and eats them (one gulp). The chickens on the other hand she "adores" and would never harm one. My belief is my dogs know that our chickens are part of the family.
 

 


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What are your thoughts (anyone) on a dog's ability to digest veggies?
*** Dogs can not digest most veggies in their natural state. IF one wants to feed veggies as PART OF THE DIET, we must alter them, to a pre/semi digested state (ground).
 
I am not so sure about cutting my guys off from veggies, they love them!
I have 2 dogs who will have a knock down drag out over leftover salad. We often use baby carrots for training treats, and I have also been using them in my Lab's food to add bulk (he just KNOWS that he is starving to death).
*** Giving the veggies in the manner that you are is doing NOTHING for them nutritionally, other then making the dog happy for a TREAT (good mental stimulation) or adding bulk. When people discuss the parts of a raw diet, one is discussing percentages of the diet .. Do you give enough that you are feeding 5% - 30% of their DIET in veggies? Make the decision for your own belief .. Is a dog a carnivore or an omnivore? If you believe a dog is a carnivore, treats are fine. If you believe they are an omnivore, get grinding so the dogs can USE the nutritional contents of all those veggies you want to feed.
 
What do you experience folks consider required reading?
*** This is a tough one as there really is not one GOOD book out there. "Rawfeeding" on Yahoo groups is probably one of the best sites to read at, or otherwise, talk to as many raw feeders are you can, and then form your own opinions. 


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Their prey usually being a grass/grain eating animal (I'm thinking deer, rabbits, etc).  Has anyone any information of this, too what extent is this true?? 
*** This is one of those subjects that the rawfeeding community is divided on. Those who believe veggies are needed often state that wolves eat the stomach contents. Those who believe they are carnivores, will argue that veggies are not needed, and that wolves do NOT eat the stomach contents of the large (deer) herbivore. My personally belief is a dog is a carnivore. The wolf would let the stomach contents spill, eat the stomach, but not the bitter contents. Now in something the size of a rabbit, a wolf is going to eat that in one or two gulps. 
 
Incidentally, I feed raw at the evening meal, (mainly chicken) but include cooked brown rice, veggies and fruits, yoghurt and flax seed oil. He also gets eggs occasionally, either raw or cooked. 
*** Personally, I would call this a home made diet, and not a raw diet, by any standards. IMHO rice is just a cheap filler/protein. In the wild, you;d never see a wolf hanging out in a rice field chowing down:-)
 

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Hello everyone.  My boy eats 12 cups a day of kibble 6morning/6 evening.  With all this food we still have a hard time getting him to put on weight.  He is 34" at the withers but is in the 200lb range.  He would be great in the 220-230lb range.  How do you get more weight on a dog with that kind of metabolism???  Would Raw help?


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Barrie says... "Tracy, am I missing something in your post about the easy recipe, or is the whole point that you just toss the guys a chicken (or whatever was the butcher's special that day)? Sorry, I am not feeling too well today ."

I guess my point is that feeding raw can be as easy as throwing the dog a whole chicken or it can be as complicated as anyone wants to make it.
 
Here's the same dog eating a pork butt...


 
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I'm not new to raw feeding, as I fed Dr. Billinghurst's BARF diet for about 3 yrs when we lived in Maryland, however, my current crew is new to raw.  I am also now feeding a carnivorous diet.  Some interesting (and some expected) observations I've made since making the switch -

1.  This was certainly unexpected and I'm not exactly sure of the reason, but there is an unusual calmness among the pack now (Sinatra, Louie, Bling, Pierre, & Muffet) that I have not had since my last crew of Mastiffs (Mimi, Chachi, Louie).  This group has always been extremely high energy and at times, rowdy.  They are still high energy when out and about, but much more laid back, and overall *content* now.  Even noisy Sinatra is much quieter. 
2.  Very little water drinking going on.  I used to fill my water buckets several times a day.  Now, it's once a day. 
3.  Of course, the change in stools is dramatic (for the better!) and zero odor. 

I even have had Oscar on a raw diet for about 2 weeks.  I feed him a commercially made frozen, raw diet that my vet office sells - Nature's Variety Medallions (95% raw chicken/turkey and ground raw bones and 5% vegies and fruit). 
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Tracy is right - it truly is a piece of cake.  I'm finding it to be quite a bit less expensive than kibble feeding too!

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Where do you find the deals at on the raw meat?


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So . . .

The rawfeeding list is a bit overwhealming and I am starting to zone out a little (dosn't take much for me ). I hope it's okay to ask my questions here, I feel a little more comfortable anyway since you all have experience that directly applies since we all have Mastiffs (well one Lab here too).

Anyway, I have Sunny (Mastiff, girl) 21 months and about 145#'s.

Kaia (Mastiff, girl) 6 months and about 100#'s.

Libby (Mastiff, girl) 3 months and about 50#'s.

Last but not least Yager (Lab, boy, neutered) 6.5 years (not sure rescue) and about 100#'s.

I am thinking chicken to start (please correct me if I am wrong), and my question for you is how much?

Sunny & Libby could stand to gain some weight, Kaia is just right and Yager is obese.

I am thinking that for the way my guys prefer to eat this would be a good thing-Sunny prefers to relish her food and eat very slowly, while Yager inhales his. Would I be correct to assume that more meaty and less boney cut of meat would be appropriate for Sunny while more bone and less meat (more difficult to eat and more time consuming) would be good for the Lab?

I am lucky to have lot's of ethnic grocers in the general vicinity, so I don't think finding good deals will be too much of a problem.

Thanks for all of your posts and answers!

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General rule is 2 - 3% of bodyweight per day.  That may need to up or down a little depending on activity level  and current weight situation.


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We have lucked out and found a local grocery store in the area that will order 40lb cases of items(necks, backs and such) for us usually at 6.00$ over their cost unless it's on sale already.  It's not a large chain store which don't seem to want to do that for you anymore but a small local franchise in just this area. It's not the cheapest by any means but the only one we can find in this area.  We have tried finding wholesale outlets with no luck, they just don't have them anymore.  Even local butcher shops won't order for us.


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Start with:

3 lbs on the 3 mo old
4 lbs on the 6 mo old
3 lbs on the 21 mo old
2 lbs on the Lab

Adjust accordingly from there

My 21 mo old eats 3-3.5lb/day
My 6 mo old varies from 3-6.5 lb/day


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Thanks for the numbers Clinton. That helps.

Holy Moly! Did you mean that your 6 month old eats up to 6.5 pounds per day or is that a typo?

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No not a typo.

Just try to keep them to where you can feel distinct ribs when you rub there sides.
I vary the amount every day based on how fat/skinny he is.

You said your 6 mo. old female is 116 so once settled she will probably be eating as much as duke as he is 115.

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What is the appropriate age to switch from 2 meals/day to 1 meal/day?

What is the most that a dog should eat at one sitting?

What problems have you encountered with feeding one massive meal per day?



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Has anyone switched to raw since the recent food recalls?


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Sorry All for piping in so late in the thread - I would just like to say that if you feel dogs need vegetable matter GREEN TRIPE!!! WooHoo stinks just like cow/horse poo!
I believe dogs need some green tripe (once a week seems reasonable to me) for a balanced diet....lots of dogs love to eat cow/horse poo> why? Nutrients.
Geri has never seen a wolf eating in a rice field - well I've never seen a wolf use a *blender* LOL

*I'm making fun of the barf diet - sorry*
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also about prey drive - I was just laughing at Ernie's low drive the other day as about a dozen squirrels were dancing around him in the park being fed by other people - all he cared about was the little terrier who was dieing to eat the squirrels.
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We are butchering (or having butchered) a cow tomorrow, is there anything you guys can think of (that we probabaly wouldn't be thinking of) to ask the butcher to keep?

Thanks!

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