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Question about organs. Im feeding organs as 10% of my puppys diet. Seems to be a number that everyone agrees upon. My puppys ideal adult weight is say 180 lbs. So if I feed him 2% of his body weight that would be 25 lbs a week. That would be 2.5 lbs of organs a week. Im using liver and feeding it twice a week. Does 1 1/4 lbs of liver twice a week seem excessive to anyone? Or does it seem appropriate? For the record Caesars is a 4 month old puppy, and im using his adult goal weight.

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Hi Tommy....not sure I get it? do you use adult weight, 180lbs, to work out what to feed at 4 mths...
Glad you found your way to the raw food thread..I am very interested to learn what people are doing with this...

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Another question relating to the raw diet. I am currently feeding veggies and from what I have gathered, they are not necessary. I want to eliminate them and place him on  a carnivorous diet. What should I fill the gap with, which is 10% of his current diet? I was thinking replace the veggies with tripe. What do you more experienced feeders feel about veggies in a raw diet? Or more importantly NOT having veggies in the diet?

A few things I have noticed about the veggies. They do not stay long after they are pulverized and refrigerated. He will not eat them alone unless he is VERY hungry, I have to mix them with tripe, or meat. His breath smells when he eats the veggies.His stools are looser.On the up side they seem to fill his belly thus allowing me to feed him a low protein food source to prevent rapid growth. So Veggies or no veggies? Any advice?


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From a vew different sources I was told to feed your puppy 2-3 % of his Ideal adult weight. The other rule of thumb ive been getting is 5-10 % of his current weight. He is 72 lbs.

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I believe green tripe is appropriate for a prey model diet whereas I don't think veggies are.
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Personally I would go with what you think your puppy will max out to.
180lbs seems too low of an estimate to me I would go with a higher one. Even the generic weight chart give 220 I think (?) full grown for boys. My boy is 10 months old and will not keep extra weight on his body and is eating between 4 to5 lbs a day. But he is an active boy too.

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Okay it really depends on the dog I would stay at the 180 pound because not all dogs are in the 200 pound region

I would try other sources for organ besides beef liver every time. Even going to pork or chicken livers, maybe even some kidney. If you are feeding chicken backs the there will be some "guts" hanging around on them. I do not think the amount is too much ( spread it out over a few days, liver does loosen the stool on my guy)
  If you can get green tripe it is a very worthy edible.  If you feel veggies are not for you then by all means work the meat and bone into the diet.    I monitor poop  sorry but it is the truth too loose more bone too dry and hard more meat.


  Feeding a pup is scary but as long as they are getting the balance over time and you see slow growth you will be doing fine.

  Reading all the information you can and deciding for yourself what works for you is all anyone can ask for.

I have been feeding raw (prey model) for over a year and a half (my vet and others are impressed with his overall health)

Good luck  your dog will be in much better shape from eating a raw diet as to any type of kibble. 







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What would tripe fall under, muscle meat or organs? Im considering going carnivorous and eliminating the veggies and yogurt. Ill prolly fill the gap with more tripe. Any advice on NO Veggies? Any one feed w/o the veggies? From what Ive read there not even necessary!


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Hi Tommy. I also have a puppy from Geri (Homer/Phoebe).
I would not think of tripe as either organ or muscle.
I do not like chicken backs for all the fat they have on them. I feed chicken rib frames, chicken necks, pork neck bones, duck necks, wings of any fowl I can get my hands on, etc. I also feed organs from as many different animals as possible. The only actual veggie matter they get other than tripe is whatever is in the blend I sometimes feed from Bravo.
So far, I have not seen Bixby's rear creep up. She seems to be pretty level.
I'm glad to see you made the switch to raw!

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Kate .. I saw your Bixby on Geris sight. Hes the dark brindle right? He looks awesome. Super looking dog. My next one Im hoping for a dark brindle, as
Caesar is a light fawn. Anyways I fed Caesar about a lb of Liver today and it come out looking the same as it went in. He did much better with smaller servings(6 oz) . Live and learn. Anyone ever try beef lung or brain(sweetbread)? I think im gonna give those 2 a try.


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Does anyone feed turkey necks?

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Monica,
I feed them. My 4 Mo old puppy does fine with them. I make sure I use nice big ones. The smaller ones can get logged in the throat if they swallow without chewing. The first few times he would try and swallow em b4 they were chewed enough, and gag em up, then rechew em. He has learned to chew em really good and its no longer an issue. The other thing I noticed is if he feels rushed, he may try and swallow em before there ready. I have another dog and sometimes she crowds him while hes eating and I can see he feels like he needs to eat em before she gets them. So now I seperate them when I feed the necks. As for liking them, theres no doubt. As soon as he gets a whiff of them in the air he leaves a puddle of drool the size of a good back yard pool! As for the older dog NO problem at all. Id be cautious at first, for choking. My oldest always knew enuff to chew so with her it was never an issue.

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Not sure about the beef lung and brain but my guys sure like pork lung


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Yes Tommy, Bixby is black brindle and also a girl. No clue why my husband named her that!
I haven't fed brain. I wouldn't buy it from a grocery store because I'm not sure how processed it would be (like bleached tripe). My dogs have been fed pretty much every other organ. I wouldn't feed tons of liver. I find it coming out like you said. Kidney is a great organ to feed too (in moderation). You can get that at most grocery stores.

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I feed turkey necks to my older dogs who are established chewers. To the puppies I feed chicken necks. They are small enough that if they "forget" to chew, they can slide right down. They do get other harder bones like pork neck bones to practice chewing. Gulping has never been an issue for us.
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Thanks guys.  Monty has had a turkey neck twice now and the second time he was better at eating it.  I am not going raw with the pups at this time.  Feel comfortable starting with Monty.  He also had some beef heart.  Kristen is going to help me out with a menu plan and I am going to join a yahoo group to learn more.  For now, I am introducing things.  He did look at me half way thru his kibble this morning like "hey, where's the good stuff you gave me for dinner last night..."  So, I will have to move quickly on my planning.

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To any raw feeders with ~6.75mo. old pups... how much are your pups eating at this age?



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Monica do you have the link for the yahoo group? I would like to learn more about raw feeding too...I don't feel confident to switch my pups.. but would like to. I give them some chicken frames occassionally and they go crazy for it..they sure do enjoy raw food
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Clinton, like Duke, Miss Muffet & Pierre are bottomless pits!  Geri says pups in her line will go up to eating 9-10 lbs a day at times....HOLY COW!

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So I just need another freezer


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Bixby (female) is almost 5 months and is eating between 3-4# a day. We have a 22 cu. ft. freezer just for dog food for 6 dogs.
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Emmett was up to 10 pounds a day for a while!


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