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steveoifer

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Karen,

You're treating a potential symptom, not the direct cause of the issue!

It's a backwards attempt at masking an underlying problem.

Were all the pups in the litter also tested? Is there a history of HD in the lines?

If you don't know these answers, or only screened one pup, your findings are not conclusive, and only adds to the anecdotal pile of urban myths already flooding the docket!

This is not to suggest that you don't try any method that you "believe" may inhibit the onset of HD, but your approach is not scientific and won't "cure" HD!

A genetic factor for rapid growth, is also not a primary cause of HD, it only adds to the problem! Otherwise, every fast growing dog would get HD!

Why do greyounds have such a low incidence of HD? They certainly have a faster growth rate than Bulldogs, or pugs!

http://www.offa.org/hipstatbreed.html

It's because of genetics!



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http://www.mastiff.org/health/cystine.htm

Cystinuria is a serious, potentially life threatening problem that affects the bladder, kidneys and urinary tract system and it has been found in mastiffs. Cystine stones can form in the urinary system of both males and females. This is particularly serious for males because of their anatomy. Treating a dog with Cystinuria for other types of stones can be deadly! Supplementing with acidifiers such as vitamin C can cause stones to form in Cystinuric mastiffs - please test BEFORE supplementing.

* This being important to anyone reading this thread, because using vitamin c can be detrimental in other facets of Mastiff growth!  Is this a chicken/egg situation?

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Karen,

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You're treating a potential symptom, not the direct cause of the issue!

It's a backwards attempt at masking an underlying problem.

Were all the pups in the litter also tested? Is there a history of HD in the lines?

If you don't know these answers, or only screened one pup, your findings are not conclusive, and only adds to the anecdotal pile of urban myths already flooding the docket!

This is not to suggest that you don't try any method that you "believe" may inhibit the onset of HD, but your approach is not scientific and won't "cure" HD!


You obviously didn't read my post properly.


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Heather,
ascorbic acid (vitC) is acidic..but I believe Ester C is OK.
Does acidic vit c affect pos readings?


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because using vitamin c can be detrimental in other facets of Mastiff growth! 


and I am not sure what you mean here..can you expand on this? cheers

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ascorbic acid (vitC) is acidic..but I believe Ester C is OK.
Does acidic vit c affect pos readings?

 
I don't know enough about Cystinuria to know?  Perhaps someone else has the answer?

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because using vitamin c can be detrimental in other facets of Mastiff growth! 



and I am not sure what you mean here..can you expand on this? cheers

 
What I meant was - you think you are doing something to benefit your dog by giving Vitamin C, but if your dog has Cystinuria you might unknowingly be doing more harm than good.
 
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Karen,

I was referring to the use of generational sibling profiles, which rarely get tested to validate free and clear hips etc.

One litter doesn't prove a thing, nor does it reflect initial genetic causes.

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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
"I can live with doubt, or not knowing, rather than to have answers that might be wrong"...Richard Feynman
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