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Hand them the above portion of the contract.  Explain that these people don't want the dogs back if they turn out sick or with bad temperment.  Print results from 2009 Eukanuba and shoe them the dog they list is not what they claim.  Also help them look up info on AKC site by the AKC numbers given right there or the dogs name.
Refwer them here to this thread and explainthat you asked the community for their opinions because you do not want to see them ripped off with a poorly bred mastiff and a borderline criminal contract.

You obviously want to help them so preface any information with that thought.  Explain to them that you have only their best interest in mind when you asked your question because you know there are a lot of breeders that take advantage uf unknowing or unsuspecting puppy buyers.  Let them know they have been asked to remove the link to the parent club and if you can refer them to Pat's site for the thing she had up at the meet the breed event she just did.  I think she posted here if not I know she posted on Linda's board and the info is fabulous.

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Their website just makes my blood boil. On the part about the IRS exempt "therapy" site (right by where there is a button for make donation"), it has this statement...so if you "question them", you are suddenly going to be "judged by God". CON CON CON!!!!!!
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This page is developed for those individuals & affiliations out their
who really have no interest in helping our cause but simply want to
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You know who you are. May God FORGIVE YOU!
The Truth Shall Set you Free!
 


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All the Breeders mentioned on that website should be contacted and be informed about them.....


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Steph, you are absolutely right! I know if my dogs were ANYWHERE on that site, I'd be calling a lawyer...


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How sweet of them to seek forgiveness for others but they should spell check before seeking it.  

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Their website just makes my blood boil. On the part about the IRS exempt "therapy" site (right by where there is a button for make donation"), it has this statement...so if you "question them", you are suddenly going to be "judged by God". CON CON CON!!!!!!
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The Nosey People Page
This page is developed for those individuals & affiliations out their
who really have no interest in helping our cause but simply want to
slander us & bare false witness against us.
You know who you are. May God FORGIVE YOU!
The Truth Shall Set you Free!
 


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Karen they need grammar check too.

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I contacted these people a couple months ago posing as a puppy buyer and asked them tons of questions through an e-mail.  She shot me back a nasty e-mail on why would I ask so many questions her website explains everything. I thought to my self YES it does.  EVIL EVIL EVIL


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I've always said that people that get defensive with questions has something to hide. That, in itself, is a red flag for me!


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Cyn - now I know what the email was about~  Hey, its an honor to have your name heisted and boasted ;-))) Teasing~  good to see Lauren this weekend.  Miss seeing you guys.  Hope you had a fun weekend too and that we get to see you guys at the Specialty~  Been too long~




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What;s the difference between these people and so called "reputable" breeders who churn out more than 5 litters per year. Looking over my Journal, the listing for Ch.s is overwhelming for one breeder...all different dams ..tons of puppies out there.
I think it's buyer beware all over the place now a days...scary, and so sad for our breed...
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Coming on this late... but EGADS.  First their website makes me dizzy and it's the most unprofessional set up.  And ANY *breeder* who refers to brindles as "reverse" I would RUN from -- and "rare" no less???  Holiday Specials????  and a BUY NOW button?????  I won't even get into the pedgrees... with this one it's definitely BUYER BEWARE. 


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STUD SERVICE AVAILABLE!  
Ch. Esteban Oifer of Morganville


$6500.00 (negotiable)

 
(very negotiable)
 
(OK ....for free!)
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 

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I'm not "touching" this one...LOL

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Sadly--these people will con and cheat people  because their is a mark born every minute. People will continue to buy their puppies without ever vertifying what they have stated.because they don't know any better. 

$6500 for a stud fee?  I laughed so hard I almost choked.  



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Did your friends buy a dog from her?  I hope not I have read her contract and it scares me how does the dog get around it cannot walk on carpet wood floors etc...  I do not think she has ever walked into a show ring with her dogs.  I do not like people who tell you to count your blessing or sale dogs by the grace of God.  Oh and lets talk about how sick she who hays all those horses?  And every month she is reducing dogs do to poor health.  Look at her horse page.
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If they are selling these dogs AKC registered I think AKC should be notified that they are being fraudulent in thier ads.
I think AKC might care about fraud.

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I hate to say this I had never thought to look up on a message board about her. But I wish I did. I was unfortune enough to get involved with her for stud service. She starts off being really knowledgeable & helpful & then changes. I have never used a stud before, only my own but decided to this time. She wasnt my first choice but was the only one close to me who contacted me. She is sneaky, tries to pressure you, then threatens you to give her more puppies. States she will not sign AKC papers. I had a litter of puppies on January 13th. She insisted she pick up her 2 pick of the litter & did when they were 24hours old. She said that since my dog had a c-section if I let the puppies continue to nurse I will kill the whole litter. She has said sooo much more too, but now she is refusing to register the puppies.

 


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I feel like such an idiot! I guess I never thought people who love animals could be so dishonest. I guess the problem is she doesn't love animals- in fact since I have been to her place it looks like a frickin puppy mill. She tried with all of her might to take control of my dogs too- insisting that she whelp my dog, raise the puppies etc. That is one of the reasons she is mad & refusing to register the litter because I refused.
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DAWN

Don't feel bad I have found many good and many not so good.  I've gotten hood-winked and also had great experiences.  Live and learn.  Don't beat yourself up.

Go directly to AKC.  Present them with the facts, any documents you may have in the matter.  Call them.  Call them now & see if they will register your litter with what you have.

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In addition to all that, someone should call someone about a couple of possible world record holders:

Stud #1:
Von Schiedel's Rebelious Storm
"Rebel"
AKC# WS16413102
Microchip# 4748094855
D.O.B.1/4/06
Height 37"
Weight 315#

 
Stud #2:
Von Schiedel's Sherman Tank
"Cowboy"
AKC# WS237472
D.O.B.10/11/07
Height 36"
Weight 335#


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Oh I know, now that I have looked at her website closely it's absolutely absurd. She primarily directs people to her facebook page carole pope. She also has horses that look terrible, that she didn't want us to see. She is running as a not for profit agency.  She also goes by or uses these other names-

 

Little patch of heaven paints

New Hope Therapeutic Equestrian Center

New Hope Tec

Von Schiedel English Mastiffs


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I was just informed that she has a picture of one of my dogs on her website, claiming it's some other dog. I left her a Voicemail and email.
What a crock of crap, so many falsehoods on that site!
Contact the AKC and they'll take care of the registration issue.

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All but one of her females have horse pedigrees listed for their pedigrees


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Hi Dawn,
   I'm glad you found your way here. AKC will honor the registration with the information you have. Also, report her to the BBB in her area. You might not think that will do much (and it won't for you), but it may save someone else some heartache.

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I would  be considering legal action. it does appear she is stopping.

I saw she is advertising Lionhearted lines. Isn't that the lady who disapeared?

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