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Why did Zorba (the largest mastiff ever) get so big?

How did he get so big?

Was Zorba a healthy mastiff?

Does anyone have Zorba in their dogs bloodlines?

Who were Zorbas Parents?

Does anyone know of these facts? I have only read in mastiff books about his size, and that is it....

He must have brothers and sisters....
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His owner let, or perhaps forced, that dog to be WAY and man o man do I mean WAY to fat!!!! It was heartbreaking to see pictures of that poor baby, I wanted to choke that owner!!!


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http://www.pedigree.com.au/features/zorba/

Zorba was an anomaly,  being 343 pounds, 8 feet and 3 inches long, 37 inches at the shoulder. He also died young.



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I thought I heard Zorba lived to be  11. Also, the few pics of him I have seen, he didn't look overly fat to me, JMO.


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Tina,

Are you perhaps thinking of Hercules, the beautiful boy whose musclehead/knucklehead owner made him soooo fat?

Not sure where the Herc picture went  Somehow the pic turned into a big unhappy face.


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He goes back to my Boulder's half brother & sire, Littles Atlas of Massalane.

This line produced size, but I have my doubts about the validity of the numbers on Zorba, despite his Guinness record!

See following pedigree on Zorba............

                                       CERTIFIED PEDIGREE
Registered Name: Aicama Zorba Of La Susa
Reg. #: E   Sex: Male   Date Whelped: 9/26/1981   Color: fawn
Notes: 316 lbs,35",52" girth,TCM371,434,12+yrs,36.5" neck,MCOA1984Sp30,39,MBH pg 93
                                                              -Eng.Ch. Bardolph of Copenore
                                          -Am.Eng.Ch. Alexas of Avonwaters
                                          |                       -Rillamill Charmian
                      -Douglas' Little
                      |                           |                       -Eng.Ch. Jasper of Kisumu
                      |                           -Eng.Ch. Odette of Kisumu
                      |                                               -Eng.Ch. Henriette of Kisumu
  -Ch. Little's Atlas of Massalane
  | OFA MF-101               |                                               -William Adams of Somerset
  |                       |                           -Laurelane's Eeyore
  |                       |                           |                       -Greco's Heather
  |                       -Ch. Bengali Tigress
  |                                           |                       -Heatherbrook Keynes
  |                                           -Copyline Eliza Doolittle
  |                                                               -Willowledge Velvet
-Stablemates Bruno Of Kisumu
| |                                                               -Peach Farm Raynor
| |                                           -Ch. Renrock's Brian O'Dare
| |                                           |                       -Peach Farm Peaches
| |                       -Ch. Reveille Big Thunder
| |                       |                           |                       -Eng.Am.Ch. Rhinehart of Blackroc
| |                       |                           -Ch. Reveille Tribute
| |                       |                                               -Ch. Mooreleigh Joyce
| -Ch. Love Creeks Lady Of The Lake
|   OFA MF-154               |                                               -Eng.Am.Ch. Rhinehart of Blackroc
|                       |                           -Ch. Ballyherugh's Cormac O'Conn
|                       |                           |                       -Ch. Willowledge Tammy
|                       -Ch. Thunderhill's Ria of Lovecreek
|                         OFA MF-81           |                       -Eng.Am.Ch. Falcon of Blackroc
|                                           -Ch. Chicken Little
|                                                               -Helena of Rainbow Mountain
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|                                                               -Baron Wolsey of Buckhall
|                                           -Eng.Ch. Oxhaege Thorkel
|                                           |                       -Oxhaege Ingeborg
|                       -Canonbury Alkabar of Celerity
|                       |                           |                       -Frideswide Kis Balint
|                       |                           -Hidee of Gildasan
|                       |                                               -Whytefarm Katrina
| -Vandepere Andy Cap of Gildasan
| |                       |                                               -Farnaby Merrick
| |                       |                           -Fabian of Rhosnessney
| |                       |                           |                       -Saxondale Rebecca
| |                       -Rhosnessney Juno
| |                                           |                       -Ch. Weatherhill Bellringer
| |                                           -Regalia of Rhosnessney
| |                                                               -Saxondale Rebecca
-Gildasan Valentine Daisy Aicam
  |                                                               -Eng.Ch. Balint of Havengore
  |                                           -Farnaby Merrick
  |                                           |                       -Eng.Ch. Taddington Diamond LilOfFarnab
  |                       -Lucky Attempt of Farnaby
  |                       |                           |                       -Jason of Copenore
  |                       |                           -Eng.Ch. Taddington Diamond LilOfFarnab
  |                       |                                               -Tiger Lily of Kisumu
  -Ragtime Dame Twisty
                      |                                               -Weyacres Lincoln
                      |                           -Leo Of Copenore
                      |                           |                       -Cleo of Sparry
                      -Tiger Lily of Ragtime
                                          |                       -Weyacres Lincoln
                                          -Withybush Nedda
                                                              -Withybush Froda
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Zorba wasn't big. He was tall and long.
His head was way too small for his body. He got his height from his father, the American bred Stablemates Bruno of Kisumu.
He certainly didn't die young. I believe he was 13 years when he died. He wasn't fat at all. He was extremely long.
He had a brother in Belgium and that one is all over my earlier breeding program. A sister of his went to Denmark and was the foundation bitch of the Tember kennel.
Another sister was the foundation bitch of the Cedwalla kennel, Aicama Saucy Sara of Cedwalla. Mother of the beautiful Cedwalla Sweet Elenor and Cedwalla English Rose, the latter the foundation bitch of Chevelu.
As far as I recall Zorba sired a couple of bitches but nothing really important ever came from that.
I never liked Zorba that much. His head was far from typey.

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Hercules:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/hercules.asp

I had heard that Zorba lived to 7-8 years old. The TV Shows he was on showed he was quite large.

Hercules was just plain fat......

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The Neo is a photo-shop enlargement and not the actual dog, unfortunately!


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"Above all, a uniform type should be aimed at by breeders and uniformity of type can only exist in a proportionate ratio in the purity and distinctiveness in any breed"!.........M. Moore
"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
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I had heard that Zorba lived to 7-8 years old.

Steph, Zorba was born in 1981 and his record was registered in 1989. He became famous after that date. The article about him in Joan Hahn's "Grandeur and Good Nature" by his owner Chris Eraclides was from 1992. I personally saw him at Crufts in London and as far as I remember that was in 1990.



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I also recall that he lived to be 13 years od.  There was an article somewhere marveling at his advanced age for such a big dog.

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Steve...

Page down and Hercules is there...I know what a Neo is...LOL...Look further..As you say, research..LOL....

Carl,

Thank you for clarifing on Zorba....i think some people would love to reproduce just for the size. Not me, so no rumors there, please...There are so many people saying they are Breeders and they breed the biggest...Biggest is not always the best..Sorry, I am home ill and get really bitchy when ill...

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I get really bitchy when ill...

Sounds familiar... LOL

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Steph,

I understood that from the gitgo!

Just pointing out the photoshop intervention, for those who might think it's an actual photo.

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" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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See I am bitchy and onery....LOL...Sorry Steve....


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You could never be onery Steph!

Perhaps ornery though!...LOL

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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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hi,

because of hercules (who ended up in rescue, btw), guiness no longer has a 'world's largest dog' category because his original owner didn't understand there was a difference between mass and fat and guiness is careful to not have records for things that might cause harm. and they were doing that way before spilling coffee became like winning the lottery, for example, they've never had a record for holding your breath under water.

i have a photo hercules and his owner (who resembles hercules in shape and size) somewhere, if i find it, i'll scan it.

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V,

I hold the record for holding your breath under water!....LOL



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"If breeds did not adhere to a specific shape, form, and colour range, or if breeders disregarded this blueprint, the breed would degenerate to the point that it would hardly resemble the breed at all. Selective breeding does not just create breeds- it preserves them as well." Breeding purebred dogs inherently means accepting limitations on your freedom to just breed anything...Catherine McMillan
" A reinforced consolidation of the American and British standards could be the basis for restoring our breed to the gladiatorial glory of its ancient past, in capability if not in usage".....Norman Howard Carp-Gordon
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Wow, that is amazing how such a Large dog could live so long. Zorba must have been a healthy boy. Were his brothers and sisters almost as big as him?

Thank you everyone!

Steve, and Carl, thank you for the pedigree and facts 


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Were his brothers and sisters almost as big as him?

Those I've seen were normal sized Mastiffs and so was his offspring. I don't recall any Mastiff being that tall. He really was an exception. I think his heavy weight was due to his extreme body length.  His younger brother was a much better and symmetrical built dog.




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As I remember, Zorba's owner wasn't even sure how he got that big.  He'd said they didn't feed him anything special, no supplements, "he just kept growing".

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I hold the record for holding your breath under water!....LOL

oh yuck!  that means you had your hands on me LOL!

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Yep....Hercules was the one that I was thinking of! Isnt that just the saddest thing? No one should ever allow their dog to get that fat!!!!


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Tina,

FYI, Hercules did get the happy ending he so richly deserved.  As V said, he ended up in rescue, spending his last years with a wonderful woman who nurtured him back to good health, got tons of weight off him, and loved him dearly. 

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hi,

because of hercules (who ended up in rescue, btw), guiness no longer has a 'world's largest dog' category because his original owner didn't understand there was a difference between mass and fat and guiness is careful to not have records for things that might cause harm. and they were doing that way before spilling coffee became like winning the lottery, for example, they've never had a record for holding your breath under water.

i have a photo hercules and his owner (who resembles hercules in shape and size) somewhere, if i find it, i'll scan it.

v


Guineas world records website disagrees about having a record for holding breath under water, they also have a lot of other way more dangerous ones, like worlds fattest man etc.

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